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The Impeachment of President Donald J. Trump

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Adam Schiff says the Whistleblower complaint “was an urgent matter and is an urgent matter.”

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Two hundred and eighteen House Democrats and one independent — a majority of the chamber’s 435 members — now favor some kind of impeachment action against President Donald Trump, according to an NBC News tally.

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https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/09/25/politics/whistleblower-agrees-to-testify/index.html

The anonymous whistleblower who filed a complaint with the intelligence community inspector general, which includes allegations about President Donald Trump’s conduct, has tentatively agreed to meet with congressional lawmakers, according to correspondence obtained by CNN

The meeting will take place on the condition that acting Director of National Intelligence Joseph Maguire approves appropriate security clearances for the individual’s legal counsel so that they can accompany their client, the correspondence showed.

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NYT is reporting that the whistleblower complaint is extremely concerning and credible…

And with the WB (whistleblower) speaking soon they will know more.

Looking for a R Rep’s comment that it would be vital for the public to see it. Rep Elise Stefanik (R-NY) see below*

Handling of internal documents? Images of Classified Iranian locales

But the two people said the whistle-blower complaint went beyond Mr. Trump’s comments to Mr. Zelensky. It also dealt in part with the unusual manner in which White House officials handled internal records describing the call. The atypical proceeding heightened internal concerns about the content of the call, the two people said.

Bowing to pressure, the Trump administration permitted members of the intelligence committees and congressional leaders to read a copy of the complaint, which remains classified, late on Wednesday.

Its allegations were “deeply disturbing” and “very credible,” Representative Adam B. Schiff, Democrat of California and the chairman of the Intelligence Committee, said after emerging from reviewing the complaint.

It contained far more information that reinforced their mounting concerns, Democrats on the House Intelligence Committee told reporters after reading it. They could disclose very little because the complaint remained classified, but several of the lawmakers said it discussed other witnesses.

It was very well written and certainly provides information for the committee to follow up with other witnesses and documents,” Mr. Schiff said.

“I do not support impeachment of President Trump. I have just read the whistleblower complaint made available to House Intelligence Committee Members. I believe strongly in transparency and it should be immediately declassified and made public for the American people to read,” Stefanik

tweeted.ttps://thehill.com/homenews/house/463105-gop-house-intel-member-says-whistleblower-complaint-should-be-made-public

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The New York Times confirms, Democrats now have 218 House members in favor of impeachment proceedings. Enough to pass articles of impeachment. :hugs:

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So another fast-moving shift for declassifying the Whistleblower report on the eve of Acting DNI Maguire’s testimony, with minimal redaction and will be made available to the public tomorrow morning.

All systems-a-go…here comes more up-front battles - what T 'n Co might say, and the career intelligence Maguire will be straight forward.

The whistleblower complaint at the center of the political firestorm involving President Trump’s contacts with Ukraine’s leader has been declassified, a member of the House Intelligence Committee announced late Wednesday.

“BREAKING NEWS: The whistleblower complaint has been declassified. I encourage you all to read it,” tweeted Rep. Chris Stewart (R-Utah).

Another source familiar with the matter told The Hill shortly before Stewart’s announcement that the declassification process was complete.

The source said that while the declassification process is completed, details about the public release of the complaint remain unclear. The complaint is also expected to have some redactions, according to the source.

The complaint revolves around Trump’s July 25 call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky. In the call, Trump asked Zelensky to do him a “favor” and later pressed the foreign leader to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden, a leading contender for the Democratic presidential nomination, according to a readout of the call released Wednesday by the White House.

The declassification comes hours after members of the House Intelligence Committee reviewed its contents behind closed doors, and on the eve of acting Director of National Intelligence (DNI) Joseph Maguire’s public testimony before the panel about his handling of the allegations.

Maguire, who has argued that the complaint falls outside the intelligence community (IC) whistleblower statute, declined to initially provide the committee with the complaint after consulting with the Justice Department, a move that sparked a standoff between the DNI and Congress.

IC Inspector General Michael Atkinson, who disagreed with Maguire, had deemed the allegations both credible and urgent and raised the handling of the complaint behind closed doors with the intelligence committees earlier this week.

Republicans and Democrats left the closed-door hearing offering differing accounts of the same document.

Democrats described the complaint as “deeply troubling” and “concerning,” but they offered little more about the nature of the allegations regarding Trump’s efforts.

Republicans, on the other hand, called for the complaint’s public release, stating that they do not believe Trump committed an impeachable offense.

"I do not support impeachment of President Trump,” Rep. Elise Stefanik (R-N.Y.), a member of the House Intelligence Committee, tweeted. “I have just read the whistleblower complaint made available to House Intelligence Committee Members. I believe strongly in transparency and it should be immediately declassified and made public for the American people to read.”

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ABC News Scoop: Even before the call began, Zelensky was well aware that Trump was going to ask him to investigate Biden!

When Ukrainians voted to elect comedian Volodymyr Zelenskiy as their next president in the spring of 2019, the fledgling administration was eager to coordinate a phone call with Kyiv’s most important benefactor – the United States, according to an adviser to Zelenskiy.

But after weeks of discussions with American officials, Ukrainian officials came to recognize a precondition to any executive correspondence, the adviser said.

"It was clear that [President Donald] Trump will only have communications if they will discuss the Biden case," said Serhiy Leshchenko, an anti-corruption advocate and former member of Ukraine’s Parliament, who now acts as an adviser to Zelenskiy. "This issue was raised many times. I know that Ukrainian officials understood."

The Trump administration’s alleged insistence that the two leaders discuss a prospective investigation into Biden, one of the president’s political opponents, casts his July 25 conversation with Zelenskiy in a new light. …

This is a very interesting article because it describes the dynamics of power struggles that were unfolding in Ukraine in the months leading up to the phone call. Suffice it to say that, according to this Zelensky adviser, Giuliani got “gamed” by a certain Ukrainian official. The details are laid out in the article, but I’m not recapping them here because they’re somewhat complicated and the primary take away is given above: Trump’s pressuring of Zelensky to investigate Biden’s son was not a spontaneous request during the call – it was premeditated – in fact, it was planned for weeks in advance and telegraphed ahead of time to Ukrainian officials; it was even made a pre-condition of the call. This validates what so many pundits have been saying – this is about so much more than just one phone call.

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House backs release of Trump whistleblower complaint 421-0

Did we get this one? I can’t tell aaannd migraine.

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Crucial Distinction: The Complaint is being released, but not the Full Report.

@dragonfly9 already broke this news with a post from The Hill (see above).

This CNN account contains much of the same information, but I’m posting it because buried in it is an extremely important distinction to keep in mind.

The document that has been declassified is the whistleblower complaint – evidently this is what the whistleblower submitted to the Inspector General. There is another document which is the whistleblower report. That report (I believe) was produced by the Inspector General and was forwarded along with the complaint to the acting Director of National Intelligence (who then refused to forward the complaint and report to Congress). It is the report that contains the IG’s assessment that the complaint is “credible and urgent.”

Here are the relevant paragraphs:

California Democrat Rep. Eric Swalwell said the whistleblower “invokes other witnesses to the disturbing conduct” in the complaint, and lays out “a lot of other documents.”

Swalwell, a member of the House Judiciary and Intelligence committees, told CNN’s Wolf Blitzer that acting Director of National Intelligence Joseph Maguire is blocking lawmakers from seeing the full report, but said he was able to read the whistleblower’s complaint.

So WTF?! Maguire is still unlawfully blocking critical information. Congress has the right to see, not just the original complaint, but also the Inspector General’s report which is an evaluation of the complaint. Maguire is continuing to violate the whistleblower law.

Anyway, it’s important to remember while we are reading the complaint tomorrow that it is still only a small part of a significantly bigger picture which should include the IG’s report and so, so much more. That is why an impeachment inquiry has been opened – so that the entire truth can come out.

Note: Please step in and set the record straight if I have misinterpreted Swalwell’s comments.

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Breaking

The Whistleblower declassified complaint - just released.:point_down:

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Just finished reading it. There is no doubt. The President is guilty of betraying his oath of office by using the power entrusted in him as President for his own personal gain. That is, he pressured a foreign power to investigate his primary political rival. Further, he attempted to cover up this traitorous act and he did so in concert with other officials in his administration and at least one private citizen.

President Trump represents a clear and present danger to our nation. He placed a crucial ally in jeopardy (withholding military aid from Ukraine in the face of Russian aggression) for the benefit his re-election campaign. The question becomes has he committed the same act with other nations or would he do so in the future? Would he surrender U.S. interests in the China Sea to enlist China’s help in his re-election? Would he conspire with Russia? After Trump has demonstrated this explicit abuse of power, how can we be assured that there is any limit on his betrayals in order to maintain his grip on the office of President?

The impeachment inquiry must proceed with a sense of urgency and these credible allegations must be thoroughly investigated. If the allegations are confirmed Trump must be formally impeached by the House and removed from office by the Senate. Other than Trump’s immediate resignation, there is no other remedy. :balance_scale:

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Yes… @Keaton_James thanks for your thorough analysis. Agreed

It is clear that there has been a cover-up and that the WH has been caught red-handed.

The job of House Speaker Pelosi and all heads of Committees - Schiff, Nadler, Cummings, Waxman, Neal, and Engel to get the most dastardly points in front of the House to present the clearest argument for Impeachment. This one - looks likes the best way forward for them. :boom::boom::boom:

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Watching MSNBC analysts now while waiting for the acting Director of National Intelligence to testify. Favorite comment:

"This is Donald Trump mobbing up foreign policy. End of story." - Nicolle Wallace :dart:

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Damn, Schiff is good!

You have got to watch this hearing! This is the best I’ve felt about the Democrats’ investigations in a long time. Finally! We have an advocate, Schiff, who is going for the jugular and we have a stonewaller, Maguire, who is in way over his head.

Watch as Maguire tries to evade admitting that the complaint was credible and urgent. Within minutes, Schiff has him admitting exactly that. Then Maguire tries to evade admitting that the first entity that he went to seek advice about the complaint was the White House even though the White House is the subject of the complaint. Maguire squirms and squirms, dodging the question and obfuscating, but Schiff is relentless. Within minutes, Maguire admits unequivocally that, yes, he did go to the White House first.

This is dramatic stuff. Riveting really. The President’s ship is sinking before our eyes. :balance_scale:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELRwVax3EeM

And OMG is Nunes pathetic!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3947iilnmNg

Following Schiff’s scathing session, Nunes’s questioning of Maguire is a total snoozer. Nunes fails to address one iota of the substance of the complaint. He first tries to enlist Maguire in calling out the “main stream media” for daring to actually report this bombshell – Maguire is obviously uncomfortable with that and won’t go along. Then Nunes goes to the weary old, ineffectual Republican play: “Let’s investigate the person who reported the five-alarm fire rather than actually trying to put out the fire.” Nunes goes on and on trying to sensationalize that fact that this story leaked and makes vague, pointless accusations about where the leak might have come from. Again, Maguire is having none of it.

And that’s it. Nunes concludes his questioning. Can’t even call it a “swing and a miss.” Nunes just stood at the plate while three strikes flew past. :baseball:

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Whistleblower is a male CIA agent who was detailed to the WH. WB’s lawyer of course wants to keep his name anonymous, which makes sense in the age where T goes and starts insinuating that the WB is a ‘spy.’

Somehow…sorry to say…someone is going to leak it. My guess it will be leaked as a retaliatory measure from someone in T’s camp or the R’s.

WASHINGTON — The whistle-blower who revealed that President Trump sought foreign help for his re-election and that the White House sought to cover it up is a C.I.A. officer who was detailed to work at the White House at one point, according to three people familiar with his identity.

The man has since returned to the C.I.A., the people said. Little else is known about him. His complaint made public Thursday suggested he was an analyst by training and made clear he was steeped in details of American foreign policy toward Europe, demonstrating a sophisticated understanding of Ukrainian politics and at least some knowledge of the law.


Lawyers for the whistle-blower refused to confirm that he worked for the C.I.A. and said that publishing information about him was dangerous.

“Any decision to report any perceived identifying information of the whistle-blower is deeply concerning and reckless, as it can place the individual in harm’s way,” said Andrew Bakaj, his lead counsel. “The whistle-blower has a right to anonymity."

The C.I.A. officer did not work on the communications team that handles calls with foreign leaders, according to the people familiar with his identity. He learned about Mr. Trump’s conduct “in the course of official interagency business,” according to the complaint, which was dotted with footnotes about machinations in Kiev and reinforced with public comments by senior Ukrainian officials.

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Thank you for watching it. I started & then turned it off because I get tired of the idiotic grandstanding (Nunes) and the non answers by Maguire. I really appreciate everyone here who does the watching & then tells us about it.

I’m still trying to figure out why Maguire thought he needed to ask the wh about the complaint after the Inspector General had already ruled on it. Especially after I read an article about the unaccountability of the OLC.

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Oh it is even more dicey - the lengths to which the Whistleblower went to get his information out…and the plot thickens. According to NYT tonight, WB went to CIA’s General Counsel to anonymously notifiy them of this call that DJT had with Zelensky.

The CIA Gen. Counsel made some further probes with this knowledge and it eventually went up the chain via the WH Office of Legal counsel, so that T did know someone was looking into his call.

When the original CIA officer/WB became aware that the WH knew, he went the way of going to NSC’s formal Whistleblower’s complaint system where he knew there were protections.

More reading here.below…and details which certainly convey the charge 'Who knew what when? and When did they know it? " - the famous Watergate Impeachment inquiry question.

I particularly enjoyed reading this comment - “They are like tuna in a shark tank.” which referred to people “anonymous whistleblowers” who go to General Counsel instead of going the official Whistleblower route.

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The whistle-blower’s expertise will likely add to lawmakers’ confidence about the merits of his complaint, and tamp down allegations that he might have misunderstood what he learned about Mr. Trump. He did not listen directly to the July call, but some White House colleagues told him that they were concerned they had witnessed “the president abuse his office for personal gain,” according to the complaint.

The week after the call, the officer delivered a somewhat broad accusation anonymously to the C.I.A.’s general counsel, Courtney Simmons Ellwood, according to multiple people familiar with the events. The initial allegations reported only that serious questions existed about a phone call between Mr. Trump and a foreign leader.

As required by government policy, Ms. Ellwood began to try to assess whether a “reasonable basis” for the accusation existed. During the preliminary inquiry, Ms. Ellwood and a career C.I.A. lawyer learned that multiple people had raised concerns about Mr. Trump’s call.

The next day, Mr. Demers went to the White House to read the transcript of the call and assess whether to alert other senior law enforcement officials. He decided to notify the deputy attorney general, Jeffrey A. Rosen, and Brian A. Benczkowski, the head of the department’s criminal division, according to two administration officials.

Department officials began to discuss the accusations and whether and how to follow up. Attorney General William P. Barr learned of the allegations around that time, according to a person familiar with the matter. While Mr. Barr was briefed, he did not oversee the discussions about how to proceed, the person said.

But as White House, C.I.A., and Justice Department officials were examining the accusations, the C.I.A. officer who had lodged them anonymously grew concerned after learning that Ms. Ellwood had contacted the White House, according to two people familiar with the matter. While it is not clear how the officer became aware that she shared the information, he concluded that the C.I.A. was not taking his allegations seriously.

That played a factor in his decision to become a whistle-blower, they said. And about two weeks after first submitting his anonymous accusations, he decided to file a whistle-blower complaint to Mr. Atkinson, a step that offers special legal protections, unlike going to a general counsel.

The revelation that the White House knew that a C.I.A. officer was expressing concerns before he filed a whistle-blower complaint demonstrates a weakness in a law meant to protect him from reprisals and shows that he was at risk of retaliation long before Mr. Trump obliquely threatened him on Thursday.

“I always advise whistle-blowers against going to general counsels because the general counsels have to report the matter,” said Dan Meyer, the former executive director of the intelligence community whistle-blowing program and managing partner of Tully Rinckey’s Washington office. “They are like tuna in a shark tank.”

Also on Maddow tonight…tune in at 9pm

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More damning details…Giuliani’s bravado at work being checked by the Ukrainians. Giuliani is more ‘fixer’ working with T, now that Michael Cohen has gone. From this, we know Rudy inserts himself into the international front almost posing as a legitimate US representative.

More details in this article than anyone wants to know about Rudy, but it is a weirdly woven story…and T is still ‘enamored’ with Rudy.

Oh boy…

A key figure at the heart of the burgeoning impeachment probe is former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, who as personal attorney to President Trump pressed Ukraine on pursuing an investigation of one of his boss’s political rivals.

A whistleblower complaint released Thursday depicts Mr. Giuliani, 75 years old, as eager to thrust himself into U.S. foreign policy. In some instances, he acted on his own, and in others his actions were in conjunction with U.S. government officials.

Ukrainians seeking influence in Washington viewed him as a direct conduit to Mr. Trump. And when Mr. Giuliani’s actions were in conflict with the U.S. government’s national-security and foreign-policy apparatus, it was unable and at times unwilling to deter him. Some senior government officials knew little, if anything, of his work.

Officials were initiated by the State Department. In July, Mr. Giuliani, a former mayor of New York, received a text message from Kurt Volker, the U.S. government’s special representative to Ukraine. In the message, which Mr. Giuliani provided to The Wall Street Journal, Mr. Volker offered to introduce Mr. Giuliani to a senior adviser to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky.

“Mr. Mayor—really enjoyed breakfast this morning,” Mr. Volker texted to Mr. Giuliani on July 19. “As discussed, connecting you here with Andrey Yermak, who is very close to President Zelensky.” He suggested a three-way call the next week.

Mr. Volker, a former U.S. ambassador to the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, has served as an unpaid volunteer in the Ukraine post since 2017. He couldn’t be reached for comment.

A State Department spokesman confirmed that Mr. Volker, at Mr. Yermak’s request, put Mr. Yermak in touch with Mr. Giuliani. “Mr. Giuliani is a private citizen and acts in a personal capacity as a lawyer for President Trump,” the spokesman said. “He does not speak on behalf of the U.S. Government.”

Six days after the text, President Trump in a phone call pressed Mr. Zelensky to pursue investigations, including a probe into the activities of former vice president and current Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden. During the call, Mr. Trump repeatedly said Mr. Zelensky should connect with Mr. Giuliani and Attorney General William Barr, according to a record of the call released by the White House Wednesday. Mr. Trump has defended the phone call as “perfect.”

At least for now, Mr. Trump remains enamored with Mr. Giuliani, people close to the president said. Mr. Trump has frequently praised his lawyer in public and in private for his loyalty and commitment to uncovering what both men believe is inappropriate behavior by Mr. Biden, who hasn’t been accused of wrongdoing. One administration official said it was unlikely that Mr. Trump’s allies would even try to convince the president to cut ties with Mr. Giuliani because of the two men’s tight bond.

White House aides over the past year have grown accustomed to—if not comfortable with—the close relationship between the two men. Mr. Trump and Mr. Giuliani typically meet at the White House alone, aides say. Their meetings—like many with Mr. Trump’s close friends—are rarely on the president’s schedule that is circulated among aides.

While serving as the president’s lawyer, a role for which he doesn’t draw a paycheck, Mr. Giuliani has also drawn scrutiny for his frequent trips abroad, where foreign officials say they have been uncertain whether he is speaking for himself or as a U.S. government representative.

Mr. Giuliani has met with foreign leaders including the king of Bahrain. Last year, he wrote to the president of Romania to criticize the country’s anticorruption investigations, according to a copy of the letter released by Senate Democrats. His position in the letter is counter to that of the State Department.

Mr. Giuliani said at the time that he was working on behalf of his security company, Giuliani Security & Safety, which had been retained by a security company run by former Federal Bureau of Investigation Director Louis J. Freeh.

Mr. Giuliani’s role as Mr. Trump’s lawyer, opposition-research investigator and frequent defender on television is the latest incarnation for the former associate attorney general and U.S. attorney who became a global figure as mayor of New York when terrorists attacked the city on Sept. 11, 2001. After that, he threw himself into the world of global consulting, starting a management-consulting firm called Giuliani Partners in 2002.

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Whistleblower Complaint - the documents we have so far

For convenience, here are the three documents:

  1. Readout of the Trump’s call with the President of Ukraine (some are calling this a “transcript,” but that’s misleading since it’s not a verbatim transcription of an audio tape; it’s actually a collection of notes on the call taken by two or more note takers and assembled into a document that looks like a transcript).
  1. The Whistleblower’s complaint that he or she submitted to the Inspector General of the intelligence services.

And here’s an audio version:

  1. NEW :boom: The Inspector General’s report on the Whistleblower Complaint (just released). This is the IG’s assessment of the complaint including his conclusion that it is “credible” and “urgent.” The IG submitted this document, along with the Whistleblower’s Complaint to the acting Director of National Intelligence. The Whistleblower Law requires that the DNI pass a “credible and urgent” complaint to Congress. The DNI did not pass it to Congress and did not even inform Congress that exists. He did not pass it to Congress until he was forced to because Schiff found out about it via the IG and then demanded that Congress receive it.
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Cracks are appearing in the dam…

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/09/26/two-republican-governors-say-they-support-impeachment-inquiry-trump/

For the first time, two Republican governors have publicly supported the impeachment inquiry of President Trump, a new development in an intensifying political fracas that has so far been largely partisan.

Vermont Gov. Phil Scott and Massachusetts Gov. Charlie Baker, both outspoken critics of Trump from the Northeast, said Thursday they favored the investigation, but Scott added that he would wait for more information before calling for further action against the president.

In a statement to The Washington Post, Scott called the inquiry “appropriate” and said it is a key part of Congress’s duty as a co-equal branch of government.

“I think we have much more to learn and need to understand all the facts as this serious allegation is considered,“ he said. "Congress has a solemn responsibility to every American to fulfill its role in our government system of checks and balances.”

At a Thursday event, Baker told reporters, "It’s a deeply disturbing situation and circumstance and I think the proper role and responsibility for Congress at this point is to investigate it and get to the bottom of it.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/senate-republicans-split-over-trump-urging-ukrainian-leader-to-investigate-biden/2019/09/25/48ec0e64-dfa6-11e9-be96-6adb81821e90_story.html

Several Senate Republicans were privately stunned Wednesday and questioned the White House’s judgment after it released a rough transcript of President Trump’s call with the Ukraine president that showed Trump offering the help of the U.S. attorney general to investigate Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden.

One Senate Republican, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to speak candidly, said the transcript’s release was a “huge mistake” that the GOP now has to confront and defend — while the party argues at the same time that House Democrats are overreaching with their impeachment inquiry of Trump.

Three other GOP senators complained privately in discussions with The Washington Post that the White House erred by releasing the transcript, arguing that it sets a precedent for future presidents about disclosure of calls with foreign leaders and could be seen as a concession to Democrats.

Publicly, two senators expressed serious concerns about the revelation, as cracks have begun to emerge with GOP lawmakers privately discussing Trump’s conduct and their party’s political standing.

“Republicans ought not to be rushing to circle the wagons and say there’s no ‘there’ there when there’s obviously a lot that’s very troubling there,” Sen. Ben Sasse (R-Neb.) told reporters after reviewing the whistleblower’s complaint. “. . . Democrats ought not be using words like ‘impeach’ before they knew anything about the actual substance.”

“It remains troubling in the extreme. It’s deeply troubling,” Sen. Mitt Romney (R-Utah) told reporters Wednesday when asked about the transcript.

Former Republican Sen. Jeff Flake claimed there would be at least 35 Republican senators in favor of impeaching President Donald Trump if a private vote were held.

“I heard someone say if there were a private vote there would be 30 Republican votes,” Flake reportedly said at a talk held Thursday night. “That’s not true. There would be at least 35.”

Flake made the comment during a live recording of Slate’s What’s Next podcast at the Texas Tribune ‘s TribFest, Thursday.

:boom: And here’s something that’s radically changed over the last 24 hours. Fox News is actually featuring some of the same stories about impeachment shown above. Amazing.

I check the Fox News site every now and then and noticed (unsurprisingly) that over the last few days, there was nothing – and I mean nothing – about the Whistleblower Complaint on their home page. You could search on relevant key words and come up with some op-eds attempting to debunk the scandal (like Hannity), but otherwise: radio silence. Now they are actually providing semi-legitimate coverage and admitting that impeachment momentum is building. Yes, they are currently leading with a story about those horrible leakers, but there are other stories, too, that address the seriousness of the allegations and the tectonic shifts that are occurring in public opinion and on The Hill.

At the risk of giving them another hit for their stats, check it out! :wink:

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