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Wow…a 39 year life expectancy!!! I’m a RELIC…and HAPPILY so!

(Lynn) #923

A couple of interesting reads -not like there’s a shortage…:wink:

And even in the face of this pandemic, trump supporters continue their slavish loyalty & ignorance of the real world facts…

(David Bythewood) #924

Drug promoted by Trump as coronavirus ‘game changer’ increasingly linked to deaths

FDA Provides Guidance to White House About Accuracy of Rapid COVID-19 Test

The head of the Food and Drug Administration said Friday his agency has provided new guidance to the White House after data suggested that a rapid COVID-19 test used by President Donald Trump and others every day may provide inaccuracies and false negatives.


Inside Trump’s coronavirus meltdown

What has gone wrong ? I interviewed dozens of people, including outsiders who Trump consults regularly, former senior advisers, World Health Organization officials, leading scientists and diplomats, and figures inside the White House. Some spoke off the record.

Again and again, the story that emerged is of a president who ignored increasingly urgent intelligence warnings from January, dismisses anyone who claims to know more than him and trusts no one outside a tiny coterie, led by his daughter Ivanka and her husband, Jared Kushner – the property developer who Trump has empowered to sideline the best-funded disaster response bureaucracy in the world.

People often observed during Trump’s first three years that he had yet to be tested in a true crisis. Covid-19 is way bigger than that. “Trump’s handling of the pandemic at home and abroad has exposed more painfully than anything since he took office the meaning of America First,” says William Burns, who was the most senior US diplomat, and is now head of the Carnegie Endowment.

“America is first in the world in deaths, first in the world in infections and we stand out as an emblem of global incompetence. The damage to America’s influence and reputation will be very hard to undo.”

The psychology behind Trump’s inaction on Covid-19 was on display that afternoon at the CDC. The unemployment number had come out that morning. The US had added 273,000 jobs in February, bringing the jobless rate down to a near record low of 3.5 per cent. Trump’s re-election chances were looking 50:50 or better. The previous Saturday, Joe Biden had won the South Carolina primary. But the Democratic contest still seemed to have miles to go. Nothing could be allowed to frighten the Dow Jones.

Any signal that the US was bracing for a pandemic – including taking actual steps to prepare for it – was discouraged.

“Jared [Kushner] had been arguing that testing too many people, or ordering too many ventilators, would spook the markets and so we just shouldn’t do it,” says a Trump confidant who speaks to the president frequently. “That advice worked far more powerfully on him than what the scientists were saying. He thinks they always exaggerate.”

Stephen Moore of the Heritage Foundation, a conservative think-tank, who talks regularly to Trump and is a campaign adviser, says the mood was borderline ecstatic in early March. “The economy was just steaming along, the stock market was firing on all cylinders and that jobs report was fantastic,” says Moore. “It was almost too perfect. Nobody expected this virus. It hit us like a meteor or a terrorist attack.”

People in Trump’s orbit are fond of comparing coronavirus to the 9/11 attacks. George W Bush missed red flags in the build-up to al-Qaeda’s Twin Towers attacks. But he was only once explicitly warned of a possible plot a few weeks before it happened. “All right, you’ve covered your ass,” Bush reportedly told the briefer.

At some point, Congress is likely to establish a body like the 9/11 Commission to investigate Trump’s handling of the Covid-19 pandemic. The inquiry would find that Trump was warned countless times of the epidemic threat in his presidential daily briefings, by federal scientists, the health secretary Alex Azar, Peter Navarro, his trade adviser, Matt Pottinger, his Asia adviser, by business friends and the world at large. Any report would probably conclude that tens of thousands of deaths could have been prevented – even now as Trump pushes to “liberate” states from lockdown.

“It is as though we knew for a fact that 9/11 was going to happen for months, did nothing to prepare for it and then shrugged a few days later and said, ‘Oh well, there’s not much we can do about it,’” says Gregg Gonsalves, a public health scholar at Yale University. “Trump could have prevented mass deaths and he didn’t.”

Demonstrators gather in Olympia, Washington to protest against the state’s stay-at-home orders. Trump adviser Stephen Moore says he told the president ‘this lockdown is causing more deaths and misery than the disease itself’

In fairness, other democracies, notably the UK, Italy and Spain, also wasted time failing to prepare for the approaching onslaught. Whoever was America’s president might have been equally ill-served by Washington infighting.

The CDC has been plagued by mishap and error throughout the crisis. The agency spent weeks trying to develop a jinxed test when it could simply have imported WHO-approved kits from Germany, which has been making them since late January. “The CDC has been missing in action,” says a former senior adviser in the Trump White House. “Because of the CDC’s errors, we did not have a true picture of the spread of the disease.”

Here again, though, Trump’s stamp is clear. It was Trump who chose Robert Redfield to head the CDC in spite of widespread warnings about the former military officer’s controversial record. Redfield led the Pentagon’s response to HIV-Aids in the 1980s. It involved isolating suspected soldiers in so-called HIV Hotels. Many who tested positive were dishonourably discharged. Some committed suicide.

A devout catholic, Redfield saw Aids as the product of an immoral society. For many years, he championed a much-hyped remedy that was discredited in tests. That debacle led to his removal from the job in 1994.

Trump and Robert Redfield at a daily briefing of the coronavirus task force at the White House. Trump chose Redfield to head the CDC despite of widespread warnings about the former military officer’s controversial record on HIV-Aids © Drew Angerer/Getty Images

“Redfield is about the worst person you could think of to be heading the CDC at this time,” says Laurie Garrett, a Pulitzer Prize-winning science journalist who has reported on epidemics. “He lets his prejudices interfere with the science, which you cannot afford during a pandemic.”

One of the CDC’s constraints was to insist on developing its own test rather than import a foreign one. Dr Anthony Fauci – the infectious disease expert and now household name – is widely known to loathe Redfield, and vice versa. That meant the CDC and Fauci’s National Institutes of Health were not on the same page. “The last thing you need is scientists fighting with each other in the middle of an epidemic,” says Dr Kenneth Bernard, who set up a previous White House pandemic unit in 2004, which was scrapped under Barack Obama and later revived after Ebola struck in 2014.

The scarcity of kits meant that the scientists lacked a picture of America’s rapidly spreading infections. The CDC was forced to ration tests to “persons under investigation” – people who had come within 6ft of someone who had either visited China or been infected with Covid-19 in the previous 14 days. Most were denied. Few could prove that they had met either criterion. This was at a time when several countries, notably Germany, Taiwan and South Korea, gave access to on-the-spot tests, including at drive-through centres – an option most Americans still lack.

(David Bythewood) #926

The coronavirus has now claimed more lives than all the wars we’ve had after and including the Vietnam War.

It won’t be long before we can add the Korean War into that number as well.


The Fed Chair who is a bit more independent than the WH is stating some strong thoughts about economic recovery. People (I believe) are more concerned with hearing the truth…rather that spun fantasy that comes from the WH.

Sounds like 60 minutes will have some ‘interesting’ interviews tonight - with Rick Bright, the whistle blower from BARDA/vaccine production and Fed Chair Powell.

Fed chair warns U.S. economy may not “fully recover” until there’s a vaccine

Federal Reserve Chairman Jerome Powell said in an excerpt from CBS’ “60 Minutes” on Sunday that the U.S. economy may not experience a full recovery until a coronavirus vaccine is available.

The big picture: Earlier Sunday, Health and Human Services secretary Alex Azar predicted the U.S. will be able to return to some degree of normalcy thanks to “traditional public health tools,” and that “everything does not depend on a vaccine.”

  • But Powell stressed that “for the economy to fully recover, people will have to be fully confident” — and that may not happen without a vaccine.
  • However, Powell added that he’s optimistic that the economy will “recover steadily” in the second half of the year, assuming there isn’t a second wave of the coronavirus.

President Trump has claimed that the U.S. could have a vaccine by the end of the year, a far more ambitious timeline than most public health experts project.

  • But Rick Bright, the former director of a key vaccine agency, testified last week that even a 12- to 18-month timeline is “aggressive” and that the U.S. does not have a plan to distribute a vaccine for the coronavirus in a “fair and equitable manner” when one becomes available.

Go deeper: Powell warns of “lasting” economic damage without more stimulus

(David Bythewood) #928

Eric Trump is a very special kind of dangerous and deranged.

Imagine the arrogance to assume that an entire world wide pandemic is about stopping your father from having rallies?

(David Bythewood) #929

U.S. mulls paying companies, tax breaks to pull supply chains from China

(David Bythewood) #930

Obama administration asked for funding to tackle future pandemics but Republicans refused

Tea Party blocked hundreds of millions in funding, investigation finds

U.S. slams WHO response to the coronavirus pandemic, says a failure by the UN ‘cost many lives’



Click tweet for video :point_down:


Hope he’s lying for his own sake, wtf, so unsafe!!



“Here we go, you ready?” Trump said. “Here’s my evidence: I get a lot of positive calls about it. The only negative I’ve heard was the study where they gave it — was it the VA? — with people that aren’t big Trump fans … and the results of the report — it was very unscientific, by the way — but I get a lot of tremendously positive news on the hydroxy. And I use the expression … what do you have to lose?”

Trump ended the Q&A after speaking about taking the anti-Malaria drug in addition to zinc, citing a letter he received from a doctor in Westchester, New York as evidence for its effic


Why does anyone believe this fool? He is such a con man!

I’m also trying g to figure out why he’s willing to kill off his base. :exploding_head:


.yeah WTF


:eyes: Letter from the President’s doctor, it recommends the drug but doesn’t specifically say if he’s taking it. :woman_shrugging:t2: I think he’s lying but this is all related to his valet that tested positive last week.


:eyes:They’re pushing this pretty hard


Aren’t there some T family trusts where there are huge investments into Hydroxychloroquine and therefore getting some ‘buzz’ about it would be good.

Why, yes there is…

(David Bythewood) #938



So what the fuck are we supposed to do now?! Fuck​:face_with_symbols_over_mouth::sob::face_with_symbols_over_mouth::sob:

(David Bythewood) #940

That really is an evil act.

WHO provides funding and aid to hundreds of countries the globe over, and we used to be their number one backer.

The thing of this is, Trump is #gaslighting. He’d already stopped paying them, like he always fails to pay his bills.

That was illegal, because that money was allocated by Congress. This is also illegal.

But when has something being illegal and evil stopped him?

(M A Croft) #941

and all.
I really feel for you all there, with such a petulant, self absorbed, manchild sitting in the Oval Office. I watch day after day and wonder just how this will all end.
This latest train wreck (obviously an attempt to shift the blame from himself for the current catastrophe that plagues your country following his own inept response onto anyone he can) will be viewed, and ignored, by all other nations with the distain that it deserves. It is a pity that such petulance has been given by the “leader” of a Nation that can be proud of the fact that it has achieved and done so much in the past to preserve and maintain world peace, health and order.
Stay strong, stay safe, stay resolute, and know the the rest of the world looks on and prays for sense to return in the November, if not before.