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🤮 Coronavirus (Community Thread)


What an excellent graph…Am keeping distances, masks and potential viral loads in mind always.

Am in a red zone…:weary: California had done a lot right, but the experts are all saying that once restrictions were lifted, people were ‘done’ with the masks and confines of staying apart.

Simple - wear a mask folks.

Yes, the hardest hit have been essential workers, congreagate living groups and others are lax unfortunately…and leaning towards believing it is a hoax or confines their liberties. :roll_eyes: :sob:

Two words: global pandemic.

So it ain’t over 'til its over…and that we know will be more than likely next year…


Yeah at least. This is going to be quite the challenge but we will adapt. I will say that I am now repulsed by the idea of indoor dining with strangers. I haven’t even invited the neighbors over to the back-yard for a cook out. I’ve just decided not eat with people I haven’t through quarantine with and I don’t even know when that happened. I now own a mask for everyday of the week and even horded several non-sterile n-95 masks for woodworking, just in case…

We’ve been strict with hand washing and sanitizer at the grocery store. I feel like we’re being vigilant but this is hard. I just wish others would take this more seriously and stop gathering unmasked for those who need to take this seriously and are actively trying not to get infected or spread the disease. It’s really maddening to experience.


And i agree with restricting all the things you mentioned - indoor dining :-1:, bbq’s (why?) And keeping clear of people not in your bubble. Not to mention HVAC systems, droplets, athletes running etc…

Hard truths out there…

Glad you have a daily mask stash. I lost/misplaced 3 in the last 3 days…:question: :question:But have back up as well.

But there is always this to look forward to…


Simple design, plastic and other-worldly looking!!

(David Bythewood) #1225

I know many who do, including colleagues, gaming friends, and people in various Dem groups I work with. It’s nightmarish out there right now.

(M A Croft) #1226

@Windthin @dragonfly9 @Pet_Proletariat et al.

As you all are aware, I am safe in New Zealand, but I follow closely the events in your country with continued horror. I think of you all daily, and pray that you will all make it safe through this pandemic. Here life is pretty much back to normal, and has been for several months now. I’m back at dance (Scottish Country), and am looking forward to tomorrow, when we will be having our first Flag Covid dance for the year. NZ has not had an infection outside of our managed border isolation facilities for over 80 days now. We get one or two cases a day from returning kiwis returning home from around the world. There are around 1 million expats Kiwis scattered around the world. Currently we have just 21 active cases - all in quarantine.
What we have learned here, is that one of the most important components in the fight to elimination is kindness, aka being respectful of others. I see that in all your responses here, but I do not see that in the behaviour of your president, and in many of his followers. I fear the virus is now endemic in your country, and it will take a massive effort to eliminate it, if that is at all possible.

A recent and very informative article was in the Economist (behind a paywall) but has been nicely summarised here*:

One of the things that has been obvious about COVID-19 from the start has been that it is very well adapted to humans. It has evolved a good entry system to the human airways, is often has mild symptoms, has a long pre-symptomatic infectious period, and doesn’t kill many of its hosts.

These are very good characteristics for a virus evolved to get hosts to make more copies of it’s genetic code. It gets to spread before people are aware that they have it. It didn’t cause too much alarm during its initial spread because most of its hosts got something that was like a mild flu.

When you look at the list of COVID-19 cases in Vietnam or Cambodia, what does become obvious that they have excessive representation in people who grew up in other areas of the world.

John Bell, a professor of medicine at the University of Oxford, says everyone thought there would be a flood of cases in Vietnam because the country is right across the border from China. Yet Vietnam has reported only 300 in a population of 100m, and no deaths. The country did not have a great lockdown either, he adds. Nobody could work out what was going on.

One explanation, he suggests, is that Vietnam’s population is not as immunologically “naive” as has been assumed. The circulation of other sars-like viruses could have conferred a generalised immunity to such pathogens. So, if a new one emerged in the region, it was able to take hold in the human population only when it travelled all the way to central China—where people did not have this natural resistance.

This would tie in with the idea that infection with one coronavirus can provide protection against others, and that even in countries away from the evolutionary cauldron of South-East Asia part of the population may have some protection against the current pandemic. In particular, there are suggestions that protection might be conferred mainly via part of the immune system called t-cells (which work by killing virus-infected cells) rather than via antibodies (which work by gumming up pathogens). If that is the case, then serological studies which look at antibodies may be underestimating natural immunity.

  • BTW the above piece is in a popular NZ left political blog mainly run by the author of the above. I have been a supporter and commentator there for over a decade and The Standard along with WTF are my two favourite sites.

(David Bythewood) #1227

The cure may actually BE worse than the sickness when you let the Trump regime decide what the cure is.

FDA says at least 75 brands of hand sanitizers may be toxic

Regulators say brands carried by national retailers may contain dangerous levels of methanol, which can lead to blindness, hospitalization and even death


This is so dangerous

(David Bythewood) #1229

Sinclair is behind this. They at first made excuses and now are backpedaling away hard due to the anger against them.


Wow…great advocacy for gettng out the vote and helping patients. It is phenomenal how many people are pushing for change…:trophy:

The sign is easy to miss in the waiting room of the emergency department at Massachusetts General Hospital, next to the reception desk and a hand sanitizer pump. “Register to vote here,” it says, above an iPad attached to a podium.

The kiosk has stood there since November, before the pandemic began and stayed there through the worst weeks of April, when 12 gasping patients were put on ventilators during a single grueling 12-hour shift.

Now, as the number of coronavirus patients has slowed to a trickle, Dr. Alister Martin, the 31-year-old emergency room doctor who built the kiosk, is determined to keep trying to register voters.

Dr. Martin’s project, VotER, has taken on new urgency as the pandemic has curbed traditional in-person voter-registration efforts, and as the link between public policy failures and death has become especially clear.

Now, despite a global pandemic — or perhaps because of it — his project is spreading across the country. Since May, more than 3,000 health care providers have requested kits to register their own patients to vote, including at flagship hospitals across the country in Pennsylvania, Kansas and Arizona.

VotER is part of a larger movement that pushes medical professionals to address the underlying social conditions — such as hunger, drug addiction and homelessness — that make their patients sick in the first place. At its core, it amounts to nothing less than an effort to change the culture of medicine by getting doctors and nurses to view the “civic health” of their patients as part of their professional duties.





Some commentary from a columnist at The Intercept


Cross Posting (does this look right @Pet_Proletariat?)

Article also highlights there is a smaller Coronavirus Task force, ie Dr. Birx and Jared Kushner. WHere’s Pence’s group?

One question still dogs Trump: Why not try harder to solve the coronavirus crisis?

Both President Trump’s advisers and operatives laboring to defeat him increasingly agree on one thing: The best way for him to regain his political footing is to wrest control of the coronavirus.

In the six months since the deadly contagion was first reported in the United States, Trump has demanded the economy reopen and children return to school, all while scrambling to salvage his reelection campaign.

But both allies and opponents agree he has failed at the one task that could help him achieve all of his goals — confronting the pandemic with a clear strategy and consistent leadership.

People close to Trump, many speaking anonymously to share candid discussions and impressions, say the president’s inability to wholly address the crisis is due to his almost pathological unwillingness to admit error; a positive feedback loop of overly rosy assessments and data from advisers and Fox News; and a penchant for magical thinking that prevented him from fully engaging with the pandemic.

In recent weeks, with more than 146,000 Americans now dead from the virus, the White House has attempted to overhaul — or at least rejigger — its approach. The administration has revived news briefings led by Trump himself and presented the president with projections showing how the virus is now decimating Republican states full of Trump voters. Officials have also set up a separate, smaller coronavirus working group led by Deborah Birx, the White House coronavirus response coordinator, along with Trump son-in-law and senior adviser Jared Kushner.


A big announcement today on starting Phase 3 of Moderna’s vaccine trials. It comes as part of the government’s Operation Warp speed. But Fauci had been a bit tentative earlier on what some of these early results could mean, and it may create some early expectations that THIS maybe the answer. (see STAT headline - behind paywall)

(CNN)Much of the world has pinned its hopes on a vaccine as a way out of the Covid-19 pandemic that has infected more than 15 million and killed more than 630,000 people globally.

The World Health Organization says there are 25 potential coronavirus vaccines in clinical trials internationally.

Here in the United States, the government has put its money behind several different vaccine candidates through Operation Warp Speed.

Even once a vaccine gets approved, big hurdles remain for distribution

One of those vaccines is being developed by the Vaccine Research Center at the National Institutes of Health’s National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, in partnership with the biotechnology company Moderna. The vaccine is expected to enter Phase 3 testing next week. This phase of the trial is expected to involve 30,000 volunteers and will test whether the vaccine protects people against the coronavirus.

More reactions from Dr. Fauci

In early June 2020


Fauci 'didn't like' Moderna Covid-19 vaccine data release - STAT

Why COVID-19 vaccine trials could move quickly

Dr. Fauci said two or three more phase 3 trials may launch in late summer, creating a pool of vaccine candidates for possible manufacture and distribution.

Usually phase 3 can take several months to yield results but one or more of the summer trials could be ready much sooner, he noted.

If you start the phase 3 and then when you are a month or two into it, and you are in an area that you have highly vaccinated where you have a big outburst and a surge of cases, you could get your answer pretty quickly,” he said.

Adding this -

Follow along with this timeline and developments on vaccine trials


White House National Security Adviser O’Brien Tests Positive For Coronavirus : Coronavirus Live Updates : NPR



Yes. There’s a lot to unpack in this piece from WaPo but this quote is quite telling, read. :exploding_head:

In the past couple of weeks, senior advisers began presenting Trump with maps and data showing spikes in coronavirus cases among “our people” in Republican states, a senior administration official said. They also shared projections predicting that virus surges could soon hit politically important states in the Midwest — including Michigan, Minnesota and Wisconsin, the official said.

One question still dogs Trump: Why not try harder to solve the coronavirus crisis?


The actions of someone planning on stealing, not winning, an election. Love this garbagefire timeline!


Just another recognition of the beastly nature of Covid-19, and this was one more casualty from the front lines. Sad news always…:sob:

While it’s not clear how Costa contracted the virus, his death was a blow to a medical community grappling with the biggest medical crisis of modern times. Dozens of people responded to news of Costa’s death on social media Monday, some referring to the doctor as a “hero.”

In a tweet Monday, Neda Frayha said she worked with Costa during her residency.

“I vividly remember being on call overnight, caring for very sick patients on the floor, & feeling so much calmer when Dr. Costa came to help,” Frayha said in the tweet. “He was kind and brilliant. This weekend he died of covid in his own ICU.”

According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, at least 576 healthcare workers have died from complications caused by COVID-19 — a figure that is likely low due to incomplete data.

And Maryland’s case counts appear to be climbing again, with more than 1,000 new cases confirmed Monday. The state reported that 536 people are hospitalized, up from 385 earlier this month.

(David Bythewood) #1240

Breitbart is spreading a video by a group calling themselves American’s Doctors that makes spurious claims about the coronavirus and treatment of it. They made the video in front of the Supreme Court and Trump re-tweeted it personally.

Facebook, Twitter, and Youtube have all worked to purge it, but MAGAs are perpetuating it:

Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube scrub platforms of viral video making false coronavirus claims

A video featuring a group of doctors making false and dubious claims related to the coronavirus was removed by Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube after going viral online Monday.

The video, published by the right-wing media outlet Breitbart News, featured a group of people wearing white lab coats calling themselves “America’s Frontline Doctors” staging a press conference in front of the US Supreme Court in Washington, DC.

President Trump shared multiple versions of the video with his 84 million Twitter followers Monday night despite the dubious claims running counter to his administration’s own public health experts. Spokespersons for the White House did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

During the press conference, a speaker who identifies herself as a doctor makes a number of dubious claims, including that “you don’t need masks” to prevent spread of the coronavirus, and that recent studies showing hydroxychloroquine is ineffective for the treatment of Covid-19 are “fake science” sponsored by “fake pharma companies.”

“This virus has a cure, it’s called hydroxychloroquine, zinc, and Zithromax,” the woman claims. “You don’t need masks, there is a cure.”

The claims run contrary to multiple studies on the anti-malarial drug and advice from public health officials to prevent spread of the virus.

A study found that neither hydroxychloroquine alone nor hydroxychloroquine plus azithromycin appeared to affect the condition of patients at the 15-day mark. Additionally, unusual heart rhythms and elevated liver-enzyme levels were more frequent in patients receiving hydroxychloroquine alone or with azithromycin, according to the study.

The video quickly went viral on Facebook, becoming one of the top performing posts on the platform with more than 14 million views before it was taken down Monday night for promoting misinformation. It was shared nearly 600,000 times, according to Crowdtangle, a data-analytics firm owned by Facebook.

“We’ve removed this video for sharing false information about cures and treatments for COVID-19,” a Facebook spokesperson told CNN, adding that the platform is “showing messages in News Feed to people who have reacted to, commented on or shared harmful COVID-19-related misinformation that we have removed, connecting them to myths debunked by the WHO.”

Twitter worked to scrub the video late Monday night after Trump shared versions of the video that amassed hundreds of thousands of views.

“We’re taking action in line with our Covid misinfo policy,” a Twitter spokesperson told CNN.

Twitter took action against the videos that Trump retweeted. By early Tuesday morning the videos were no longer able to be viewed on his account. Twitter also took action on a version of the video posted by Donald Trump Jr. and others shared by Breitbart News.

The video was also removed by YouTube, where it had been viewed more than 40,000 times. Users attempting to access the video late Monday were greeted with a message that said it had been removed for “violating YouTube’s Community Guidelines.”

A Breitbart spokesperson did not immediately respond to a CNN request for comment.

According to the website for America’s Frontline Doctors, the group is led by Dr. Simone Gold, a Los Angeles-based emergency medicine specialist who has previously been featured on Fox News for her views that stay-at-home orders are harmful. Gold told the Associated Press in May she wanted to speak out against stay-home orders because there was “no scientific basis that the average American should be concerned” about Covid-19.

America’s Frontline Doctors could not be reached for comment late Monday.

As of Monday, the virus has caused nearly 150,000 US deaths, according to Johns Hopkins University, and is on track to become a leading cause of death in the country.

This site has a transcript of it:

Facebook apparently removed one of the members of this group from its site and she has threatened them with Jesus.

I think Facebook will probably be okay with that.

Trump’s re-tweeting of this video comes even as hydroxychloroquine just flunked a Phase III trial in mild-to-moderate Covid-19.

Results of the new clinical trial published late last week have found that hydroxychloroquine not only failed to improve outcomes in those with mild-to-moderate disease, but also produced a higher rate of cardiac and liver side effects.

(David Bythewood) #1241

Trump reportedly changed his coronavirus messaging after being told new cases were spiking among ‘our people’ in red states