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@Tindwyl Thanks for this – I wasn’t aware Grassley had made a statement. Others here have done a great job of debunking what he said, but I would just like to address his first paragraph which really sticks in my craw and shows me that he is practicing “willful ignorance” like the vast majority of the Republican party.

Grassley says:

“Speaker Pelosi announced an impeachment inquiry even before seeing the call transcript or hearing from the alleged whistleblower or the director of national intelligence. That says all anyone needs to know about the legitimacy of the Democrats’ impeachment inquiry: impeach now, facts later."

The accusation embedded in that last sentence certainly has a nice ring to it, “Impeach now, facts later.” It sounds like something Hannity would say and it’s something Trump’s base can really get indignant about. But it’s just a complete load of B.S.

I would just say this to Mr. Grassley: We, the Democrats, are not “impeaching now” – we are opening an impeachment inquiry (something you, in fact, just said in your preceding words). Instead of ignoring the facts, we are searching diligently for the facts. We can’t find the facts without an inquiry because Trump, Barr, and the rest of the GOP, including yourself, are all stonewalling requests for information. Trump and his enablers broke the law by refusing to release the whistleblower complaint. What other choice did we have except to announce a formal inquiry? If we hadn’t announced it, Trump would still be blocking us from seeing the complaint.

So Mr. Grassley: Won’t you help us with our inquiry? Won’t you help us find the facts instead of stonewalling us? If the facts point to an impeachable offense, then and only then would we take the next step and impeach. And if that becomes the case, we would hope, as a patriot, you would then join us. In the meantime, how dare you accuse us of impeaching before we have the facts. That is a flat out lie, sir.

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@Windthin I pulled these off twitter. Omfg! :clown_face::circus_tent::tickets:

:joy::joy::joy: these people!

RE: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/white-house-mistakenly-sends-trump-ukraine-talking-points-to-democrats/2019/09/25/5170aa52-dfb2-11e9-b199-f638bf2c340f_story.html

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I’m a little nervous that we are in part relying on the basic competence, good judgement and honesty of the IG, a Trump-appointee.

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Good point, but part of why this is a scandal is the fact the DNI was ordered not to release this whistleblowers complaint to Congress, who has the constitutional right to see these materials in the first place. It’s obstruction.

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Remember “The Godfather”?

“I will do you this favor, but there will come a time when I ask for a favor in return.”

It’s like that, except in this case Corleone (Trump) is asking for the return favor AND holding the baker’s daughter hostage.

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Wow, these are really easily debunked even by that non-transcript memo they released. And they handed the Democrats their WHOLE playbook!

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Stand by

Full court press…:alarm_clock::alarm_clock:

and per PBS - Whistleblower’s Report has been delivered to Senate Intelligence -
Sen Burr. :boom:

A Press Conference due at 4p EST/1P PSt

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Ok…Senate just passed a bill to stop the diverting of military funds and stop the emergency powers so the situation down at the border is not a National Crises.

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:boom:

I like seeing Benjamin Wittes’ BOOMS…illustrates such a punctuating moment.

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Watch :point_down:

https://www.c-span.org/video/?464713-1/president-trump-holds-news-conference-un-general-assembly&live

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He’s rambling…

He’s blaming the Dems…saying there is No there there…

He’s puffing up all the great things he’s done.

He’s business as usual. :frowning:

remarks from the journalists

Follow @ddale8 (Daniel Dale - CNN Fact Checker) - he chains together a lot of links

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@dragonfly9

He’s so glum today. He sure doesn’t act like someone who says impeachment would help him win in 2020.

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Yes, wistful and just full of self-pity.

The one who doesn’t know what to do with why so many hate him…and know he’s deceitful.

But you are right…hardly pumped up for 2020.

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some reactions

sad
Too many meds
He’s sick. Very very sick.
Low Energy…deflated

Quote from psychiatrist - “T is unraveling and falling apart under stress.” Dr. Lee :point_down:

And the saddest one…but most true. Narcissist meets someone who checkmates him.

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Per NBC, AG Barr is saying he was not part of the Ukrainian situation, although T did mention his name to Zelinsky over the phone.

And with that Barr would not recuse himself if he had to work on this within the DOJ.

Attorney General William Barr and whether he views Barr as someone whose job includes advocating for him on personal matters.

Repeatedly over the course of the call, Trump told Zelenskiy that his personal attorney Rudy Giuliani and Barr will be contacting Ukrainian prosecutors on two investigations: one related to an email server tied to Trump’s former political rival, Hillary Clinton, and the other related to his potential future political rival, former Vice President Joe Biden.

I would like to have the attorney general call you or your people and I would like you to get to the bottom of it,” Trump told Zelenskiy about an investigation he wanted into CrowdStrike, a California-based company that investigated the Russian hacking of emails belonging to the Democratic National Committee in 2016.

One of the most shocking revelations in the transcript of President Donald Trump’s phone call with President Volodymyr Zelensky was that so much of what Trump had to say on the call focused just on getting Ukrainian officials to investigate Trump’s political opponents. Another surprise was the fact that President Trump said repeatedly — five times, in factthat Attorney General William Barr would be running point, working with Trump’s private attorney Rudy Giuliani, on these matters.

Make no mistake, these facts now implicate the attorney general, the nation’s chief law enforcement officer, directly in the commission of acts that many of the country’s leading legal experts consider federal crimes — whether as election law violations, bribery or other offenses concerning public corruption.

The revelation of Barr’s possible involvement should alarm all of us concerned about the rule of law in this country. At a minimum, it’s no longer sustainable for this attorney general to oversee the Justice Department’s handling of the Ukraine scandal.

Even Barr seems to understand the extreme impropriety of what the transcript suggests about his using the power of his office to go after the president’s political rivals. Hence Barr’s formal statement, issued within 30 minutes of the transcript’s release, suggesting that what Trump told Ukraine’s president about the attorney general’s role was essentially false.

Layer onto all of these concerns another revelation in Wednesday’s news — according to The New York Times, the director of national intelligence and the inspector general of the intelligence community each referred the whistleblower’s complaint to the Justice Department for a possible criminal investigation into the president’s actions. Within a matter of days, it seems Barr’s Justice Department somehow reached the conclusion that the complaint could not even trigger an investigation because the allegations could not involve a crime. The legal reasoning that has been reported would put the administration “on very thin ice,” as Judge Napolitano might say.

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Scheduling an Inservice Training for the White House staff: “How to tell a Democrat from a Republican–and why it Matters.”

Walk-away from a nearby mental facility.

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I agree with most of what you said. Including an enormous shoutout to Matt for his incredible work.
There is one sure way to get DJT out of office and one way only: vote him out.
The low voter turnout throughout (2016, 2018 and recent NC District 9) really alarms me and is a huge issue for me.
IMO: Instead of wasting time and energy on impeachment, spend all the time, energy and money on mobilizing and energizing every single possible voter.

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Here’s a timeline of events:

September 2018: Congress approves military aid to Ukraine, per House Democratic sources.

Feb. 28, 2019: Congressional officials are notified that the administration is set to release large amounts of that aid. It doesn’t happen.

May 19: Trump goes on Fox News and rails about Biden and Ukraine, falsely claiming that Biden improperly pressured Ukraine to fire a prosecutor who was supposedly “after” his son.

May 23: Congress is again notified of a pending release of aid. It again doesn’t happen.

July 18th or thereabouts: Trump orders Mulvaney to freeze the aid to Ukraine. Trump’s decision is communicated to officials at the State and Defense departments. Importantly, as The Post reports, officials are instructed to tell lawmakers that the delay stemmed from some kind of “interagency process,” but not to share any more details.

July 24: The special counsel testifies to Congress, and Trump hails the proceedings as a “very good day.” While the special counsel detailed extraordinary corruption and wrongdoing, Trump plainly takes from it that he can conduct himself with total impunity.

July 25: Trump holds a call with Zelensky. Trump himself will later admit he brought up Biden and “corruption” in Ukraine. It is also subsequently reported that Trump directly urged Zelensky to discuss this with Giuliani.

Late July: A few days after that call, Giuliani meets with an aide to Zelensky, and demands an investigation into Biden. Giuliani later admits he would not be doing this without discussing it with Trump.

Aug. 12: The inspector general of the intelligence community receives a complaint from a whistleblower.

Aug. 26: The inspector general forwards the whistleblower complaint to the DNI, saying he deemed it of “urgent concern” and “credible.”

Aug. 30: CNN reports that Trump is seriously looking at blocking the aid entirely, and that the Pentagon privately advised for the aid to be released.

Early September: Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.) speaks to Zelensky. Murphy has since characterized their conversation by saying that Zelensky “directly” expressed concerns that the cutoff of aid was a “consequence” of failing to probe Biden.

Sept. 9: The inspector general alerts the congressional intelligence committees to the whistleblower complaint, and says the DNI hasn’t forwarded it to them, in potential violation of the law.

Sept. 10: Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.), the chair of the House Intelligence Committee, demands that the DNI transmit the whistleblower complaint to Congress.

Sept. 12: The aid to Ukraine is released.

Sept. 13: Schiff subpoenas the DNI for the whistleblower complaint.

Sept. 17: The DNI again formally refuses to turn over the whistleblower complaint, arguing that the law doesn’t apply, because the activity in question relates to “someone” outside the intelligence community. Reporting indicates that the DNI did this after getting advised to do so by the Justice Department.

Sept. 17: The inspector general pushes back hard on the DNI’s decision, flatly stating that the complaint “relates to one of the most significant and important of the DNI’s responsibilities to the American people.”

Sept. 18-19: It turns out the “someone” in question may be Trump himself. The Post scoops that the whistleblower complaint involved a “promise” Trump made to a foreign leader. We then learn that it also involves Ukraine.

Sept. 19: Giuliani first denies to CNN that he is pressuring Ukraine to investigate Biden, before reversing and confirming as much.

Sept. 22: Trump confirms he brought up Biden and corruption in the call with Zelensky, but top administration officials deny Trump “pressured” him to investigate Biden.


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