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:headphones: Listen: Six Years Separated

An asylum-seeking migrant girl is separated from her family at the border and enters U.S. custody at 10 years old. Now, she’s 17 and still in a shelter, even though her family is ready to take her in. They just can’t find her. They turn to reporter Aura Bogado for help.

(David Bythewood) #304

I fear we will see this story told hundreds of times more with what this regime is doing now.

Here is another tale I fear we will see played out again in the future.

The children of fathers who aided in the torture & murder of thousands during the dictatorship that ruled Argentina from1976 to1983 are rebelling against their families.

Will this be us in a generation?

The Disobedient Children of Monsters

(David Bythewood) #305

More on Trump’s push to invade cities with militarized goon squads.

They were one of the first families separated at the border. Two and a half years later, they’re still apart.

A related thread on family separation:

(David Bythewood) #306

Thing is, this is true; immigration is vital to economic growth. But Trump policies have virtually shut down legal immigration also.


@Windthin is on the case! :mag_right:

(David Bythewood) #308

New post for the Immigration forum, which also needs updating:

Related, older story that shows they’ve been doing this a while:

Mentionable News

Mulvaney says U.S. is ‘desperate’ for more legal immigrants

Acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney told a crowd at a private gathering in England on Wednesday night that the Trump administration “needs more immigrants” for the U.S. economy to continue growing, according to an audio recording of his remarks obtained by The Washington Post.

“We are desperate — desperate — for more people,” Mulvaney said. “We are running out of people to fuel the economic growth that we’ve had in our nation over the last four years. We need more immigrants.”

The Trump administration wants those immigrants to come in a “legal fashion,” Mulvaney said, according to the recording.

Asylum seeker are legal immigrants, just open up the internment camps guys.

(David Bythewood) #310

I have a thread for this one. I actually added that article to it recently.

So, I made this thread to counter Trump’s idiotic “country full” line.

See, thing is, the economy IS dependent, heavily, on a fresh influx of immigrants. This is partly because we don’t have the highest of birthrates here.

A LOT of industries desperately need more people. But legal immigration was a morass to begin with, and the Trump regime’s efforts totally kill it off have seen it drastically drop off.

Not only that, but many legal immigrants here on work permits and such have left, driven out by unnecessary challenges to their status.

Now, traditional conservatives have long been FOR legal immigration, recognizing it as necessary for a healthy economy. So Mulvaney’s stance here is actually old-school Republican, one of those many things the Trump regime has turned on its head.

So though Mulvaney is right and we need more immigration, don’t expect the Trump regime to change its ways any time soon.

Here is the thread:

(David Bythewood) #311

Trump’s ‘Remain in Mexico’ program dwindles as more immigrants are flown to Guatemala or are quickly deported



(David Bythewood) #313

Stephen Miller is fucking nuts.

The standout line in an article full of horrifying moments:

“Miller made clear to us that, if you start to treat children badly enough, you’ll be able to convince other parents to stop trying to come with theirs.”

How Stephen Miller Manipulates Donald Trump to Further His Immigration Obsession

Donald Trump’s senior adviser has been the true driving force behind this Administration’s racist agenda. How far

(David Bythewood) #314

Three stories here today:




At the Orlando International Airport Saturday morning, Vilma Diaz, 41, cried as she embraced friends and family before being boarded onto a plane with her two children.

Three Immigrations and Customs Enforcement agents in plainclothes escorted the Melbourne mother onto the airplane for a one-way trip to El Salvador.

Diaz is being deported to El Salvador eight years after getting pulled over for driving without a seatbelt, according to her immigration attorneys.

Vilma Diaz, 41, runs a local business with her husband. Her children are both U.S. citizens.

At the airport, Diaz’s friends and family pleaded with the agents for anything they might be able to do, but the agents explainedthey were just doing their jobs and did not have authority to grant Diaz an interview for asylum under reasonable fear.

They said Diaz broke the law by entering the country illegally and they were simply enforcing the consequences.

A last minute stay of deportation was denied by a judge Friday after Diaz has lived and worked in the United States for the past 16 years. Appeals for her to stay in the country were too little and too late after months of feeling hopeless, according to Diaz and her immigration attorney, Karen Iezzi of Satellite Beach.

Both children boarded a Spirit airlines flight Saturday morning to go to a country they don’t know and which has one of the highest murder rates in the world.

Her son, 11-year-old Axel, has severe asthma. In El Salvador, he will be 90 minutes from the nearest hospital and without consistent electricity for his nebulizer, Iezzi said.

On top of that, he and his two-year-old brother Josue could be targeted as U.S. citizens by gang members in El Salvador who believe they can profit from kidnapping them, Iezzi said in a piece she wrote for the American Civil Liberties Union.

Since finding out that his mother would be deported, he has been getting sick to his stomach from the anxiety of knowing she might be taken from him at any moment.

Axel has been crying during school for the past several months, sometimes too distraught to attend class out of fear that his mother will no longer be there when she gets back, Diaz said.

“Deporting Vilma Diaz will not make any U.S. citizens safer,” she wrote. “In fact, it will endanger the lives of two of those citizens — her children. It shouldn’t happen.”

Iezzi is a conservative who voted for Donald Trump but has argued against some of his immigration policies.

“Under Trump these stays of deportation never get approved,” she said. “It’s possible ICE could change their minds at the last second.”

“Immigration officials don’t know how much damage they’ve caused,” Diaz said.

Diaz said she’s sad about the decision to split up the family she’s built in Melbourne, but will respect it and follow the law even if she thinks it’s unjust.

Joel Tooley is pastor of the First Church of the Nazarene in Melbourne and a consultant with the bipartisan National Immigration Forum. He says this type of case is not uncommon.

“The thing about this case is here’s a mom who has good moral character,” Tooley said.

“She’s worked hard, is a taxpayer, living like most undocumented folks live: she just kind of keeps her head down.”

He knows some people will say she broke the law and deserves to be deported. But he believes that the immigration system is inhumane, and that there should be an option in between deportation and full amnesty for people like Vilma.

Immigrations and Customs Enforcement did not return calls as of Friday evening.

“These are the kind of people I want as neighbors," Tooley said. “To me it’s unfathomable that we’re talking about a document keeping this family from staying in the United States.”

Jose Carlos Diaz, Vilma’s brother, said she’s a hard worker who stays out of trouble.

“This country is a big giant. Hispanic people are the hand of the big giant,” he said. “They don’t say no. They’re just working.”

(David Bythewood) #315

Actually, let’s add this here.

New Jersey just raised its threat level for white supremacists to ‘high,’ well above ISIS and al Qaeda

This is going to be a hell of a week:

The Supreme Court May Criminalize Immigrant Advocacy

The case could let the government prosecute people for routine legal work or even sympathetic tweets.

The long and the short of it; this case centers around a little-used provision of immigration law that forbids “encourag[ing] or induc[ing] an alien to … reside in the United States” when the encourager knows that person has no legal status.

If the five conservatives on SCOTUS so choose, they could interpret this in an absolute hardline fashion, one that the Trump regime would prefer, that would effectively criminalize advocating on the behalf of these immigrants. Normally I would say this is a slim chance, but with THIS Supreme Court… I just don’t know.


Supreme Court denies Mexican family’s damages claim for cross-border shooting

A deeply divided Supreme Court ruled Tuesday that the family of a Mexican teen shot and killed by a U.S. Border Patrol agent cannot seek damages because of the border that was between them.

The justices ruled 5-4 that 15-year-old Sergio Adrian Hernández Guereca lacked constitutional protection against the use of excessive force because he was in Mexico. Had he been in Texas with Border Patrol agent Jesus Mesa, his family would have had a claim.


If border agents shot & killed someone in Canada would the ruling be the same?

(David Bythewood) #318

I am going to bet not, and I worry that this ruling will result in more shootings.

(David Bythewood) #319

We Must Help Asylum Seekers. Here’s a Key Way to Do That.

For those fleeing torture and other forms of persecution, a doctor’s evaluation can make all the difference. Medical students can play a key role in offering this life-changing service.

Global conflicts, civil wars, and injustice have driven immigration to an all-time high since 1990. Seeking asylum from persecution is a human right.

(M A Croft) #320

It seems that many people including Stephen Millar and your President do not understand that fact. Mind you - they are not alone in this lack of sensibility to human rights issues and yet it is a burgeoning problem world wide.

The Refugee Crisis

Refugee crisis can refer to movements of large groups of displaced persons, who could be either internally displaced persons, refugees or other migrants. It can also refer to incidents in the country of origin or departure, to large problems whilst on the move or even after arrival in a safe country that involve large groups of displaced persons.

In 2018, the United Nations estimated the number of forcibly displaced people to be 68.5 million worldwide. Of those, 25.4 million are refugees while 40 million are internally displaced within a nation state and 3.1 million are classified as asylum seekers. 85% of refugees are hosted in developed countries, with 57% coming from Syria, Afghanistan and South Sudan. Turkey is the top hosting country of refugees with 3.5 million displaced people within its borders.[125]

In 2006, there were 8.4 million UNHCR registered refugees worldwide, the lowest number since 1980. At the end of 2015, there were 16.1 million refugees worldwide. When adding the 5.2 million Palestinian refugees who are under UNRWA’s mandate there were 21.3 million refugees worldwide. The overall forced displacement worldwide has reached a total of 65.3 million displaced persons at the end of 2015, while it was 59.5 million 12 months earlier. One in every 113 people globally is an asylum seeker or a refugee. In 2015, the total number of displaced people worldwide, including refugees, asylum seekers and internally displaced persons, was at its highest level on record.[126]

(M A Croft) #321

So if someone shot and killed a border guard from the Mexican side of the border that would be ok? Because not being in US territory they wouldn’t be subject to the US Constitution.

(David Bythewood) #322

That, I fear, may be the gist of that ruling. I worry that it will result in a LOT more violence.