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Impeachment - Pt. 2 - WTF is going on with this trial?

Another lie here

An attorney for Donald Trump falsely claimed during his impeachment trial Friday that the Democrats prosecuting the case withheld key evidence from the ex-president’s legal team, according to a senior congressional aide familiar with the matter.

David Schoen, one of Trump’s three defense lawyers, told senators at the unprecedented trial that the ex-president’s team was not privy to the previously unseen surveillance footage of the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol that the House impeachment managers showed during Wednesday’s proceeding.

But a senior Democratic aide for the impeachment managers disputed Schoen’s claim.

The Trump team was given the full trial record, including ALL video and audio used, prior to the start of the trial,” the aide said.

A spokesman for Trump’s legal team did not return a request for comment.

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Lots of evidence to the contrary that Trump didn’t know. No one is going to carry that water for T here, especially Pence’s group.

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Astounding

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Conservative speechwriter…

The second impeachment trial of Donald Trump has been a rout for the pro-impeachment side. They made the case through time-stamped videos and close argumentation, and their timeline linked in an undeniable way the statements of the president on 1/6 and the actions of the rioters who stormed the Capitol. Democratic floor managers were at their best when they were direct, unadorned, and dealt crisply with information and data, as they did most of the time. They were less effective when they employed emotional tones to move the audience. Here is a truth: Facts make people feel. People are so unused to being given them. They’re grateful for the respect shown in an invitation to think.

Congress was riveted; journalists were riveted. Was America? Did it watch? We’ll find out the ratings and in time get a sense of what people felt was worth absorbing. Did the proceedings have the power to break through as anything other than a partisan effort? I don’t know, but I suspect so. In the pandemic people are glued to their screens. Nothing they saw—nothing—would make them admire Mr. Trump more.

As this is written a formal defense of the president’s actions is coming. It is hard to believe his lawyers will argue his innocence of the charge that he incited a crowd to move on Congress and thwart its certification of the 2020 election. Everyone knows he did that. More likely the defense will speak of extenuating circumstances—Democrats now speak violently too, and they didn’t care when cities exploded in violence last summer.

Beyond that I don’t understand the defense being mounted informally in conservative media. This is that everyone knows the storming of the Capitol was being planned before the president’s rally, and the government knew. This exonerates him? If the government Mr. Trump headed knew trouble was coming, it’s evidence of both imminent lawless action and Mr. Trump’s intent—the legal elements of incitement. It makes him more culpable, not less.

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Here is the Congresswoman who repeated the truth about the conversation between Rep Kevin McCarthy and Trump.

Yes she is standing by it. Thsnk you.

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And more confirmation from Sen Tuberville

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Day 5 Impeachment hearings-

WItnesses will be called - and of particular interest is Rep Herrera Beutler from WA who discussed the ‘call’ between Rep McCarthy and Trump.

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And MTG sending out a warning ‘shot’ to Rep Beutler.
Ever disgraceful.

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Okay so… WHY are we not calling witnesses? Small words please, I have to assume I’m missing something in the fine print here on why Senate Dems are passing on this.

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Waste of time, since Mitch has publicly stated he’ll vote to acquit.
Biden wants Senate to focus on his agenda.
Accusation has made their points, convincingly, nothing “new” to expect.
Not really “Move On”, but rather, “let the GQP publicly humiliate themselves” by denying facts.
My impression anyway.

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Friend is mad because “they just want their vacation.” Maybe this doesn’t make me as angry because I never labored under the delusion that they would do anything other than acquit?

That said, they had this opportunity and blowing it seems really, really stupid. Really stupid.

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Yes, unfortunately, it does give that impression. However as has been said before there is the urgent need to press on with Covid the relief package and other pressing needs. If witnesses were to be called the case could drag on for weeks, and get in the way. At least that is the way I perceive the decision.
The QOP are never going to be persuaded to find him guilty. They have their heads buried deeply in the sand.
There was a need to impeach. T’s actions over the past 6 months or so, have been unconscionable and way beyond the pail. But there is an even more pressing need to getting America back to some form of normality.

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The GOP wants to draw this out; more time spent on it means less time spent on Biden agenda items. Anything more won’t change things and will let them grandstand, so it’s time to move forward. I wish we DID have time to call all the witnesses, but this is not that moment, and the GOP knows it.

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Done.

Unfortunately, as predicted.

Statement from Sen Burr

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He is NOT going away

Reposting here…seems like what the future will hold

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WTF is up with Sen McConnell…???

Why did you not vote guilty???

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