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Yes, I imagine T can’t be upstaged.

If it is a petty grievance T will amplify every part of it with his anger.

I just watch Fauci’s body language (arms crossed, head down) throughout these current press conferences. That means T is lying, boasting, branding etc. It is my ‘truth barometer.’

Pence gives T his assurances/strokes by praising him always…so Pence always gets an ‘All clear.’

You can not make this stuff up…weird, ugly, base.

(David Bythewood) #342


Trump outbid governors on coronavirus supplies after telling them to buy their own

This is happening more and more all over, the most vulnerable of us made even more so by this economic collapse:


So this is happening, the hospitals are asking volunteers to sew masks from home. But you have to leave the house to pick up supply kits. Why won’t they just post the patterns and instructions online? Seems like you’d get more volunteers.

(David Bythewood) #344


Pence lied when he promised all passengers on the Grand Princess would be tested. There’s a good chance that some of those released without tests will still be infectious.

San Francisco Chronicle

Most Grand Princess passengers in quarantine refused coronavirus tests —often at federal officials’ urging

Matthias Gafni March 19, 2020 Updated: March 19, 2020 10:39 a.m.

What possible justification could there be for not testing every single passenger on the Grand Princess as Pence falsely promised would happen? Could it be there are not enough test kits? Could there be an agenda to artificially repress the case numbers to make Trump look better? Probably the latter since Trump himself said he would prefer the passengers to stay on the ship so the case numbers wouldn’t rise for something that wasn’t his fault.

Here’s the thing: According to the article, the government does have the authority to compel the passengers to take the test – if they refuse, then the government has the authority to quarantine them for a period that will ensure they will not spread the disease. However, those not taking the test will be released after 14 days – this is simply not a long enough quarantine. That has been shown over and over. For example, a comprehensive study released yesterday establishes that in 1 in 100 cases, the incubation period is longer than 14 days. This means that there’s a strong chance that at least 5 of the 586 passengers being released without testing will be carrying the coronavirus into their communities.

Despite assurances from Vice President Mike Pence that all Grand Princess cruise ship passengers quarantined at Travis Air Force Base would be tested for COVID-19, The Chronicle has learned that two-thirds of them have declined, often at the encouragement of federal health officials.

As of Wednesday, 568 of the 858 passengers screened while confined turned down the test, a federal official familiar with the Travis quarantine and testing told The Chronicle. The low testing numbers align with what passengers were told by officials during a Tuesday afternoon teleconference, citing a 30% acceptance rate for the novel coronavirus test, several passengers told The Chronicle.

“These folks know they are in a 14-day quarantine, if they test positive they are further delayed until they test negative,” said the official, who The Chronicle agreed not to name because they were not authorized to speak to the media, in accordance with the paper’s ethics policy. “They don’t want to stay. They want to be released.”

Those who spoke to The Chronicle said federal health officials dissuaded them from taking the test, saying if they had no symptoms during the mandatory 14-day quarantine, a test was unnecessary. The federal official and cruise passengers also said the test compliance would have been higher had tests been available to administer shortly after they were removed from the ship and sent to the base.

The low test numbers fly in the face of what government officials had promised after the passengers, many California residents, were removed from the stricken Grand Princess cruise line beginning March 9 and sent to military facilities across the country. Twenty-one people aboard the cruise ship tested positive while it was quarantined off the coast of California before docking at the Port of Oakland.

“We will be testing everyone on that ship,” Pence said March 6 in a White House briefing. Two days later, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, which is overseeing the Travis operation, also said passengers would be tested.

But it appears that most will return to their homes with no COVID-19 test results.

In response to a series of questions, a White House official told The Chronicle: “No one can be forced to be tested. All passengers were screened and all were offered testing.”

However, past court rulings indicate the government would be allowed to order testing for the coronavirus during a health emergency, said Dorit Reiss, a law professor at UC Hastings in San Francisco.

Stanford law professor Michelle Mello agreed, saying the government could force a test if there was an order that explained “why testing is reasonable and necessary.”

“Strictly speaking, people do not have to comply with such orders, in the sense that we don’t strap people to a hospital gurney and extract biospecimens from them,” Mello said in an email. “But if they refuse, public health authorities can order them into isolation until such time as the period of dangerousness (contagiousness) has passed. They can also criminally prosecute them and seek imprisonment or fines.”

“You don’t want to have 800 or so people re-seeding their communities when they are released,” said George Rutherford, a UCSF professor of epidemiology. “There aren’t absolutes … a person could be mildly symptomatic or asymptomatic and still infectious.”

P.S. The SF Chronicle normally requires a subscription, but I think they may be waving that since I had no issues accessing the article.


Image of Dr. Anthony Fauci mentally disappear during the Presser.


(David Bythewood) #347

Trump, promoting unproven drug treatments, insults NBC reporter at coronavirus briefing

NBC News’ Peter Alexander asked Trump to respond to Americans who are scared by the pandemic, which triggered the president to reply with an insult.

(David Bythewood) #348

I am sick as anything today and my head is starting to spin as I see double, so just posting these quickly to show how the GOP proposal fails to help the poor and is GOP Tax Scam Part 2.

Senate Republicans release massive economic stimulus bill for coronavirus response

But numerous lawmakers complain about key provisions, showing how much remains in flux

Senate GOP Response to Pandemic, Recession Is Seriously Inadequate

(Ray Van Houtte) #349

A reasonable summary of what is coming:

Bottom Line: we have to manage this for more than 18 months.


Feel better…this is not an easy time to start feeling sick. :pray:
Take good care.


Why is this person smiling?

Could it be that she tapped insider trading info to dodge losing a fortune?

On March 6, during Trump’s cringeworthy CDC coronavirus presser (see his most egregious lies here), I couldn’t help noticing a woman standing behind the President. She really stood out because she was grinning throughout like a cat who ate the canary. I wondered, “Who is this person and what does she find so amusing about this serious topic?” Even when everyone else was wearing somber expressions, she was beaming as if she just popped a fistful of Xanax.

Her manic smirk really stuck in my mind, but I didn’t follow through and check out who she was. Well, just yesterday, a post from @Windthin gave me a feeling of déjà vu. It was about Kelly Loeffler, the Republican Senator from Georgia who’s been caught using insider trading info from a confidential Senate briefing to dump stocks before the market plunged (for convenience, I’ve posted the link again below). I thought, “That person looks really familiar. Wait! She’s the one who was blissfully smiling throughout the CDC presser!” But, of course! She’s probably humming to herself, “Hey, chumps, I dumped my stocks weeks ago right after that private briefing. Suck it!” (Check it out – she’s cued up here – just click around anywhere in the second half of the presser and note her Cheshire cat smile.)

Sen. Kelly Loeffler Dumped Millions in Stock After Coronavirus Briefing

The Daily Beast – 20 Mar 20

The Senate’s newest member sold off seven figures’ worth of stock holdings in the days and weeks after a private, all-senators meeting on the novel coronavirus that subsequently hammered U.S. equities.

Sen. Kelly Loeffler (R-GA) reported the first sale of stock jointly owned by her and her husband on Jan. 24, the very day that her committee, the Senate Health Committee, hosted a private, all-senators briefing from administration officials, including the CDC director and Anthony Fauci, the head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, on the coronavirus.

“Appreciate today’s briefing from the President’s top health officials on the novel coronavirus outbreak,” she tweeted about the briefing at the time.

That first transaction was a sale of stock in the company Resideo Technologies valued at between $50,001 and $100,000. The company’s stock price has fallen by more than half since then, and the Dow Jones Industrial Average overall has shed approximately 10,000 points, dropping about a third of its value.

It was the first of 29 stock transactions that Loeffler and her husband made through mid-February, all but two of which were sales. One of Loeffler’s two purchases was stock worth between $100,000 and $250,000 in Citrix, a technology company that offers teleworking software and which has seen a small bump in its stock price since Loeffler bought in as a result of coronavirus-induced market turmoil.

Loeffler’s office did not respond to a request for comment from The Daily Beast on the transactions and whether they were prompted or informed by information shared at that late January briefing. It’s illegal for members of Congress to trade on non-public information gleaned through their official duties.

Late Thursday night, she did offer a statement, tweeting: “This is a ridiculous and baseless attack. I do not make investment decisions for my portfolio. Investment decisions are made by multiple third-party advisors without my or my husband’s knowledge or involvement.

“As confirmed in the periodic transaction report to Senate Ethics, I was informed of these purchases and sales on February 16, 2020—three weeks after they were made.”

Note: Loeffler’s statement is an outright lie. The periodic transaction report does indeed confirm that the trading occurred on the same day she received the briefing, but it in no way reveals what she did and did not know about it at the time.

In the weeks after her spate of stock trades, Loeffler sought to downplay the public-health and financial threats posed by the coronavirus.

“Democrats have dangerously and intentionally misled the American people on #Coronavirus readiness,” she tweeted on Feb. 28. “Here’s the truth: @realDonaldTrump & his administration are doing a great job working to keep Americans healthy & safe.”

“Concerned about #coronavirus?” she tweeted on March 10. “Remember this: The consumer is strong, the economy is strong, & jobs are growing, which puts us in the best economic position to tackle #COVID19 & keep Americans safe.”

Loeffler is the second known senator to sell off large stock holdings between that Jan. 24 briefing and the dramatic drop in stock-market indices over the last week. The Center for Responsive Politics reported on Thursday that Sen. Richard Burr (R-NC), who chairs the Senate Intelligence Committee, sold between $500,000 and $1.5 million in stock in February, shortly before markets tanked—and before Burr privately warned of the havoc that coronavirus was poised to wreak.

Burr lashed out at National Public Radio on Thursday over its report revealing those private comments in a series of tweets that did not mention his stock trades. Burr was one of just one of three senators who voted against legislation in 2012 banning so-called congressional insider trading.

As it happens, Burr and Loeffler sat next to each other on the Senate floor during the chamber’s impeachment trial in January.

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Loeffler assumed office on Jan. 6 after having been appointed to the seat vacated by retiring Sen. Johnny Isakson. Between then and Jan. 23, she did not report a single stock transaction from accounts owned by her individually or by her and her husband jointly.

Between Jan. 24 and Feb. 14, by contrast, Loeffler reported selling stock jointly owned with her husband worth between $1,275,000 and $3,100,000, according to transaction reports filed with Senate ethics officials. On Feb. 14, she also purchased the Citrix stock and another $100,000 to $250,000 in technology company Oracle, which has seen its share price decline by more than 18 percent since then.

The 15 stocks that Loeffler reported selling have lost more than a third of their value, on average, since she reported offloading them. She initially reported many of the transactions as sales of stock owned by her husband. Last week she amended the filing to note that most of them were jointly owned.

The full scope of Loeffler’s portfolio and its particular holdings is not yet known. Senators are required to regularly disclose that information, but in January she requested an extension from Senate ethics officials. A full accounting of her finances will not be public until May.

When Loeffler assumed office, she immediately became the wealthiest member of Congress. The Atlanta businesswoman, whose husband is the chairman and CEO of the New York Stock Exchange, has a fortune estimated at $500 million.

From the beginning of her tenure, she has faced scrutiny over potential conflicts of interest. Her position on a Senate subcommittee that oversees futures markets “gives Kelly Loeffler a direct position in overseeing her and her husband’s financial enterprises,” Craig Holman, lobbyist for the ethics group Public Citizen, told the Atlanta Journal Constitution in February. “I find it utterly irresponsible the Senate would choose to put Loeffler on that committee, given her conflicts of interest.”

Unlike other senators, Loeffler’s finances are directly tied to her electoral fate. She has pledged to spend $20 million on her bid to hold on to her seat when she faces voters for the first time this November.

It’s crucial to know what time the coronavirus briefing occurred on January 24, the day that Loeffler dumped stocks. If the briefing was after the markets closed, that would tend to favor Loeffler’s defense that she didn’t commit insider trading. The article doesn’t give the time so I went on a hunt to find it. Finally, I was able to determine that the briefing was held very early in the morning and concluded even before the markets opened. So coming out of that meeting, Loeffler had plenty of time to sell stocks – pretty damning, considering that she had sold no stocks since assuming office on Jan 6, but starting dumping stocks on the very day she exited that briefing.

The reason the briefing was held at such an early hour was that the Senate Impeachment trial was going on at the time so the Senators needed to make their way from the briefing to the trial. As the article points out, during the trial, Loeffler sat next to another Republican Senator, Richard Burr, who also attended the briefing and is also accused of insider trading based on info learned at the briefing. I’m wondering if they plunked down next to each other at the trial and started exchanging tips on what stocks to dump. Loeffler began offloading stocks on that very Friday. Burr waited until Feb. 13 while the market was at its peak.

For confirmation that the briefing ended at 8:11 AM ET well before trading begins (at 9:30 AM), here’s a tweet thread from a C-Span reporter – he notes when the Senators are leaving the briefing. (Click on “Show This Thread,” then, in the fourth tweet, hover over “Jan. 24” to see the time.)

(David Bythewood) #352

Wow. I am sharing that around now. That is an AMAZING catch. It puts a lot together suddenly.



Fallout…everyone gets a bit of a hit, including T 'n Co.

President Trump’s company — significantly reliant on tourism, conventions and restaurant income — has been sharply impacted by the coronavirus pandemic, with at least two properties closing and three hotels laying off staff, according to people familiar with the company.

In Florida, Gov. Ron DeSantis ® ordered all restaurants and bars in the state to close Friday and imposed special restrictions in a few places including Palm Beach County — home of Trump’s Mar-a-Lago Club.

Previously, Mar-a-Lago had been partially open, offering limited sit-down service at its beachfront bistro, according to a letter sent to members.

Before that, Trump’s hotel in Las Vegas was shuttered in response to a statewide order from Nevada’s governor. It will not reopen until April 17, the hotel told customers. Some employees at the hotel have already been laid off, according to a letter one employee received.

(David Bythewood) #354


Strange happenings in Japan.

Japan was expecting a coronavirus explosion. Where is it? | The Japan Times


USA Today

Pence staffer tests positive for coronavirus, first among administration aides - live updates

Nicholas WuChristal HayesJohn FritzeMichael Collins

March 20, 2020

A member of Vice President Mike Pence’s staff has tested positive for coronavirus, the White House said Friday, marking the first such infection within the top rungs of the administration.

Katie Miller, a spokeswoman for Pence, did not identified the staffer, nor did she say specifically where the individual worked. Pence is leading the administration’s coronavirus task force and has been a regular presence at the president’s side in recent weeks.

“This evening we were notified that a member of the Office of the Vice President tested positive for the Coronavirus,” Miller said in statement. “Neither President Trump nor Vice President Pence had close contact with the individual.”

P.S. Sorry for the “plain posts,” but the pretty “auto-graphics” when we post a news link are not coming up for me. I’m going to try a few things to see if it’s my computer that’s causing the issue.

(David Bythewood) #356

U.S. intelligence reports from January and February warned about a likely pandemic


Interesting Skype interview by Wolf Blitzer with one of the Congressmen who recently tested positive. It looks like he’ll be OK, but coronavirus has hit him hard – and he’s just 45 years old. (I say “just” because I wish I was 45 again :smile: ). Those cocky springbreakers should watch this and maybe they’d think twice about blowing off the guidance for social distancing.


Who else can sew? This pattern is easy, let’s do it! :muscle:


‘Chilling’ Plans: Who Gets Care as Washington State Hospitals Fill Up?

“They look at the criteria — in this case it would likely be age and underlying disease conditions — and then determine that this person, though this person has a chance of survival with a ventilator, does not get one,” Ms. Sauer said.

“This is a shift to caring for the population, where you look at the whole population of people who need care and make a determination about who is most likely to survive, and you provide care to them,” she said. “Those that have a less good chance of survival — but still have a chance — you do not provide care to them, which guarantees their death.”

(David Bythewood) #360

These maps show just how bad things can get if we don’t dig down deep and take real serious measures.

Coronavirus Could Overwhelm U.S. Without Urgent Action, Estimates Say