I donât think there is a bottom, not until he is out of office or dies. Maybe not even then.
Weâll have the discovery phase.
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Heâs a contrarianâŚand what has been quoted from some people todayâŚhe wants to enact revenge, or burn down âthe houseâ to an extent.
It fits no oneâs logicâŚand difficult to even use that as a consideration, heâs off the chartsâŚroid rage people are calling itâŚwho knows?
It is very Shakespearean if you think about it. Makes no sense, but he is guided by his emotions and he does not want to do anyone any favors, particularly Pelosi.
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Itâs all so ironic, sheâs offering him a huge stimulus less than 30 days from Election Day, which would make him look good on economics but heâs just throws it back in her face.
Youâre right, it has to be Shakespearean or a Greek Tragedy.
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Could this have anything to do with it? He is losing by a huuuuge gap. He does not like any bit of it.
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Sure but how does doing this make that better? People like getting money and paying rent. Give them those things and at this point they will fall all over you because we need this so badly. Itâs just so stupid.
Itâs not that heâs doing some crazy cruel thing at random, that happens all the time. Itâs that not doing this particular thing is like looking at some gold youâve just been handed and throwing it away because someone you donât like wants you to have it.
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I agreeâŚ
People need the stimulus checks
People want for their businesses to stay afloat
People deserve better leadership.
People want the truth
We are experiencing T at his very worst, unhinged far beyond what heâs been doingâŚit is unchecked power, thoughtless and callous.
Because he is a Covid patient, elderly, AND on steroidsâŚhe is even more impetuous, OFF HIS ROCKER.
See how quick he got back to tweeting and offering the stimulus checks tonightâŚsee what he is doing? Heâs acting like a puppeteerâŚand he dictates what he thinks will bring him votes right now, because he tanked the stock market, and it looks bad.
If I keep my needs out of the equation, it makes sense that heâs even more power mad.
It does not make sense for us as Americans, or people who need some relief.
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Everyone in the White House cluster who has reportedly tested positive for the coronavirus
These are the White House officials, lawmakers, and others who reportedly have the coronavirus.
Trump, battling Covid-19, says heâs âlooking forward toâ the next presidential debate
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention guidelines say people should isolate for 10 days from the point of showing systems, and in severe cases, 20 days.
Facebook, Twitter block Trump post that falsely claims coronavirus is less deadly than flu
Hereâs a Theory: Maybe Trump Wasnât Getting Tested for COVID at All
What if they wonât say when his last negative result was because there wasnât one?
What is the White House hiding? Thatâs where reporters need to push
How recently did Trump actually test negative? And why isnât the White House contact-tracing the Barrett event?
These last two articles above raises a big question; the White House has consistently dodged telling reporters when he last tested negative to such a degree that it very much feels like they have something to hide.
D.C. reports most new COVID cases since June amid White House outbreak
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Am tracking Sideshow Rudy
Last seen at a fundraiser, and heâs outdoors, no mask and in a tight crowd.
Wonder what his Covid status is? (And Barr as well - Quiet over there)
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White House Reception for Bereaved Military Families May Also Have Been COVID Spreader Event
White House event for families of deceased U.S. troops thrust into new light after admiralâs coronavirus diagnosis
White House event for families of deceased U.S. troops thrust into new light after admiralâs coronavirus diagnosis
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Trump claims he is going to make sure EVERYBODY has access to Regeneronâs experimental drug cocktail for free.
https://news.yahoo.com/trump-says-regeneron-drug-cocktail-223857225.html
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The Superspreading Presidency of Donald Trump
Covid-19 infects people in âburstsâ like the one at the White House, and this administration hasnât just made that easierâit made it inevitable.
As President Donald Trump left Walter Reed Medical Center on Mondayâstill infected with Covid-19âa reporter in the press pool, Hunter Walker of Yahoo News, shouted: âDo you think you might be a superspreader, Mr. President?â The president did not respond.
Is he? Probably sometime during the last week of Septemberâthe timeline isnât clearâthe president became ill with Covid-19. His adviser Hope Hicks tested positive before he did. Since then, around two dozen people who are close to the president or who attended events at or sponsored by the White House have tested positive for the disease, including spokesperson Kayleigh McEnany and members of her staff, First Lady Melania Trump, a couple of senators, former New Jersey governor Chris Christie, adviser Stephen Miller, the presidentâs âbody man,â three journalists on the White House beat, Trump campaign manager Bill Stepien, a Coast Guard officer with responsibilities including carrying the âfootballâ containing codes for launching nuclear missiles ⌠whew. And thatâs just the public onesâit doesnât include White House support staff, for example.
Viruses arenât exactly alive, and they donât precisely âwantâ things (on account of not having brains). Theyâre just optimized flecks of genetic material inside bubbles of fat and protein, honed by billions of years of evolution to take over the cellular machinery of living hosts and make more of themselves. But if the coronavirus did want anything, it would want Donald Trump to be president. Almost everything he has done or allowed to be done since January has given the virus that causes Covid-19 space to spread. Did Donald Trump carry the virus to or from a fundraiser in New Jersey? To or from a Gold Star family reception? To or from preparation for a presidential debate, or events celebrating the nomination of Amy Coney Barrett to the Supreme Court? Is he a superspreader? Doesnât matter. Because either way, he is the chief executive of a superspreading presidency.
Scientists have a lot of ways to characterize how viruses spread, but one angle is to say that they usually spread deterministically, when a person infected comes into contact with uninfected but susceptible people, kind of at random, like molecules bumping into each other in a gas. Every person who gets a virus that causes influenza, for example, gives it to about two more people. (Epidemiologists call that a reproductive rate, R0.) On average, thatâs true for Covid-19, too, roughly. Except for when it isnât. For a lot of reasons, sometimes one person with Covid-19 gives it to many, many moreâdozens. These epidemiological influencers might amount to just 10 to 20 percent of people who get Covid-19, but they spread it 80 percent of all cases.
Here, R0 value might be less important, perhaps, than another number, k (thatâs âkappaâ), the dispersion factor. Like the coronavirus diseases SARS and MERS before it, Covid-19 is overdispersedâwhich means more âheterogeneityâ in its spread. Sometimes it spreads a little; sometimes it spreads a lot. âItâs that perfect cocktail combination of the right host, someone who for whatever reason has a high viral load,â says Karen Jacobson, an infectious disease physician at the Boston University School of Medicine. âAnd then thereâs just that they happen to be in the right social situation, also.â
In literal terms, maybe no one will ever know if Trump himself spread the virus through the White House. But his policies and his actions certainly allowed the virus to go viral. His obstinate refusal to listen to experts on how viruses transmit from person to person and how pandemics ebb and flow made it possible for the virus to spread to so many people around him, and to spread around the country. âThe reason you wouldnât label somebody as a superspreader is that often there isnât anything theyâre doing thatâs necessarily reckless, right? And you donât want to put a stigma on them,â says Sam Scarpino, a mathematical biologist at Northeastern University who studies Covid-19 transmission dynamics. âBut thereâs a difference if you have somebody like the president who is advocating for not wearing masks, who may have shown up to a debate potentially knowing he was sick with family members and others in the entourage who may have been exposed or sick, unmasked, unmasked in the White House, who drives in a hermetically-sealed SUV when he knows heâs infectious with Covid. There is a point when we have to say that this person is continuing to engage in reckless behavior thatâs going to lead to transmission.â
So does that meanâŚ? âI would say the president is a superspreader,â Scarpino says. âIâm happy to say that.â
Things didnât have to be this way. Have tight lockdowns, keep everybody from coming into contact with anybody, and R0 goes down. Even the people who are better at transmitting (theyâre carrying more virus, theyâre at the peak time in their infection, theyâre loud talkers, whatever) donât have anybody to transmit to. No more infections.
Or, you know, do the opposite of that. Foster social conditions in which the virus spreads (cold, dry, noisy, crowded, no ventilation). Donât wear masks and make fun of people who do. Result: lots of infections. A virus has biology, and so does its host, but it spreads in an environment, in a context. This is where biology meets policy. âYou can decompose the transmission of a pathogen into the biological features of the individual pathogens themselves, the biological features of the host, the sociological aspects of the hostâand when weâre talking about humans, we think about policies, the sociotechnical systems embedded in the defective behaviors. All of those things have to interact for transmission,â Scarpino says. âWhat we see in the United States time and again is this confluence of reckless policy, poor guidance from federal public health agencies around what people need to do to keep themselves safe, and then the biology of the pathogen and the humans.â
Scarpino is part of a team of researchers that has been working on a slightly different characterization of how the virus moves through populations. Their construction looks at a particular form of crowdedness, of how closely packed together people are at different spatial scalesâin a building, in a neighborhood, in a city. The specific mathematical term theyâre interested in is called Lloydâs âmean crowding,â basically the number of contacts you might expect from random chance transmissions in a given area divided by the population of that area. What theyâve found is that more densely packed places are more âburstyâ when it comes to Covid-19. When the virus gets there, it burns through the susceptible population hotter and faster, a sudden, sharp peak of sick people all in one place at one time.
The burstier places might seem isolated at first, and that can make it look like theyâre protected. Until they arenât. Thatâs what happens in meat-packing plants and elder-care facilities. It happened in Manaus, a city in the heart of the Amazon rainforest where officials didnât detect any Covid-19 cases until March. Over the next four months, the virus went on to infect up to two-thirds of the population and killed one out of every 500 people. To Scarpino, the White House looks bursty, too. âItâs really tightly connected, nobodyâs really wearing masks, lots of social connections. It was really a matter of when. When the virus shows up, itâs going to sweep through. Youâre going to have superspreading. Itâs just going to take a while,â Scarpino says. âReally it was just inevitable, because itâs really a microcosm of what we see playing out over the US: a combination of risky behavior, crappy policy, low testing, and in the White Houseâs case the exact rightâor wrong, depending on how you think about itâconnectivity and social network structure.â
And not to sound like a Twitter reply-guy here, butâthat surprises you because why, exactly? This is the same White House that couldnât institute widespread testing for the disease, or nationwide contact tracing. Itâs the same White House that promoted untested treatments, and spread informational smog like saying disinfectants and ultraviolet light might work inside peopleâs bodies. Itâs the White House that mostly failed to establish reliable clinical trials. Itâs the same White House that tried to bend the data in the unimpeachable Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report . Itâs the same White House with a president who mocked mask-wearing right up until his own hospitalization, and in fact blocked the distribution of 650 million masks to Americans. Itâs the same White House that rushed the reopening of restaurants and other businesses. Itâs the same White House that attempted to block more stringent requirements for new vaccines. Itâs the same White House that had staff and a president show up to a debate after exposure to a deadly pandemic disease and didnât tell anyone. Itâs the same White House that derided wearing masks as a way to reduce the spread of virus from people without symptomsâboth in the world generally and in the White House itself, as a matter of âpersonal choice,â even with multiple staffers ill. Itâs the White Houseâthe presidentâthat told people not to let the virus âdominateâ their lives, who went home from the hospital when he was still sick and almost certainly still infectious. These are all, in their way, superspreading behaviors, as sure as doing a bar crawl when youâre sick.
Itâs also the same White House that has declined to do contact tracing and case investigation on the outbreak currently engulfing it. Was the Barrett announcement the superspreading event? Thatâs knowable. Epidemiologists could trace contacts and figure out who brought the disease into the cluster. Virologists and geneticists could unpack the strain of the virus and figure out its specific path through Washington. âThe point of the superspreading event is, thatâs an epidemiologic term that can only be defined when we know there are enough linked cases that all go back to one location. But it takes work and science,â Jacobson says.
Of course, none of that will happen. Those facts are knowable, but they wonât be known. The White House staff wonât allow it. So in a sense, the answer is unknowable, because people are standing in the way, fostering instead the kind of environmental conditions where Covid-19 will spread. âIt was probably inevitable that somebody in the White House was going to get Covid. But it was not inevitable how many people were going to get it,â Scarpino says. âCovid became an epidemic because the world doesnât understand complex systems. Itâs an interaction, in a nonlinear way, between the rules that govern the pathogen, the rules that govern the host, and the system they find themselves inâwhich is the politics. With the same underlying rules, a different political substrate leads to wildly different outcomes in terms of the emergent behavior.â
That emergent behavior has led to the deaths of more than 210,000 Americans. Millions are potentially facing long-lasting illness. More will get sick. More will die. Maybe a vaccine or a drug could change the rules that govern the pathogen or the hosts. But the system? The virus doesnât want anythingâbut right now itâs getting everything it needs.
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The drugmaker Regeneron said on Wednesday that it had submitted an application to the Food and Drug Administration for emergency approval of the experimental antibody cocktail that President Trump had praised just hours earlier without evidence as a âcureâ for the coronavirus.
The company said access to the treatment would be extremely limited at first, with only enough doses for 50,000 patients, a far cry from the âhundreds of thousandsâ of doses that Mr. Trump, in a video released on Wednesday, said he would soon be making available to Americans free of charge.
In the five-minute video, Mr. Trump said that it was a âblessing from Godâ that he had been infected with the coronavirus and that the Regeneron cocktail had suddenly made him feel better. âI felt unbelievable,â he said. âI felt good immediately.â
There is no evidence that the treatment is the reason he was feeling better, and his doctors have said he has taken other drugs as well.
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At every turn, there are doubts about tracing back and contract tracing the people at the various WH events, particularly the ACB welcome party. It is haphazard at best.
A week after a cluster of coronavirus cases emerged following a White House event, the Trump administration is now working on a limited basis with the federal governmentâs elite cadre of disease detectives to control further spread.
Two epidemiologists from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention are assisting the White House in tracking down people who may have been exposed to the coronavirus, CDC spokesman Jason McDonald said Thursday. One epidemiologist has been detailed to the White House since March and the second arrived recently.
President Trump and at least 34 White House staff members and other contacts have tested positive for the virus, according to Wednesdayâs senior leadership brief on the covid-19 response prepared by the Federal Emergency Management Agency. Some of those people are suspected of having become infected at White House and Republican National Committee events.
The White House by Tuesday completed contact tracing related to the presidentâs infection and cases involving several other people, a senior White House official said, raising concerns among infectious-disease experts about whether a thorough investigation could be completed so quickly. The official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss internal matters, said anyone meeting the CDCâs definition of âclose contactâ with someone who tested positive had been notified and given health recommendations.
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Several White House staffers and administration officials expressed anger and bewilderment that the White House had not undertaken a more robust contact-tracing effort sooner. They said many people â including White House residence staff who do not have the stature of a lawmaker or a top political aide â had not been contacted despite possible exposures, putting them and others at risk in a still-growing outbreak. The officials spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive matters.
The CDC began offering help last Friday, after President Trump announced he had tested positive, only to be repeatedly spurned, according to a CDC official who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss internal matters. On Wednesday, an arrangement was made for âsome limited CDC involvement,â the official said.
White House officials rejected the assertion they have turned down help, pointing to the CDC epidemiologist already detailed to the White House Medical Unit. That epidemiologist is leading the White House investigation and has been in communication with agency officials, according to a senior White House official who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss internal deliberations.
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The White House Medical Unit, with a staff of more than 50, has been in touch with the D.C. Department of Health and mayorâs office to report confirmed cases, the official added.
âAny positive case is taken very seriously, which is why the White House Medical Unit leads a robust contact-tracing program with CDC personnel and guidance to stop ongoing transmission,â White House spokesman Judd Deere said.
White House officials said their investigation is unlikely to find the outbreakâs source.
âThere were a number of guests who have been at the White House who maybe tested negative, but then later tested positive,â White House spokesman Brian Morgenstern told reporters Wednesday. âSo, itâs sort of an unknowable question as to where it entered the environment. But where do we go from here is trying to mitigate further transmission.â
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Is this for real? Seems for real.
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Yes, that little contradiction - stem cells researched anti-body treatments that come from the body, and probably aborted fetuses. âŚwell, therein lies the rub. Right-to-lifers should be appalled but T says itâs a miracle, and âcoming down from God.â
All words coming from his mouth are meant to appeal to his base. Damn the relevant truth to them.
And werenât we reading he has a financial stake in it too?
Good article. Thx.
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@autumn
More on the origin of the treatment here:
The drug is a monoclonal antibody cocktail developed by Regeneron. The president received an 8-gram infusion under a âcompassionate useâ exemption when he was hospitalized over the weekend after testing positive for Covid-19. There is no cure for Covid-19, and the drug is not approved.
The stem cells used to develop the drug are known as HEK-293T cells, a line of cells used in laboratories. The cells were originally derived from an embryonic kidney after an elective abortion performed in the Netherlands in the 1970s.
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Worth watching this video.
How Fox News and Trump are spinning lethality of Covid-19
CNNâs Brianna Keilar discusses how President Trump and Fox News are dangerously spinning the lethality of Covid-19 and selling Trumpâs coronavirus infection as âthe sacrifice of a true leader.â
And then this:
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Great info, thanks. If only my âsingle issue voterâ mother would actually believe something they didnât air on fox. 
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More crazy coming soon; Trump is on with Rush Limbaugh today and has claimed they have a CURE, not a treatment, a CURE for Coronavirus. This is, of course, nonsense.
No articles out on what he said yet, just the twitterverse.
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What is his investment in the company that makes this drug?