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If it’s like the flu shot, it takes a couple of weeks after getting it to have any immunity.

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I read somewhere (BBC?) that for the Pfizer, immunity is 7 days after the 2nd shot.
But, TBH, these sound more like guesstimates, all this is new, they are just trying to reassure and answer questions.

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@CNa1 @dragonfly9 @GracieC One person responded to me on twitter that another reason many healthcare workers are leary of the new vaccine is that apparently the SARS vaccine had bad side effects for some:

I looked it up and there are some articles about this. I will note, though, that these new vaccines are, well, new, and untested, and different from the SARS vaccine, which is both good but also, understandably, worrisome for some given these apparent past issues and the speed with which the vaccines were rushed to market. I can personally testify that long-term effects often don’t come out until much later for a variety of meds, for obvious reasons, and unfortunately that frightens many. All told, though, I still believe that the biggest reason many are wary of this vaccine is Trump’s involvement. A lot remains to be seen, but I still believe the vaccines are one of our best hopes to get this under control, along with enforcing better practices.

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Well put

I see their fears…

We/I just hope that enough 'good guys - CDC, FDA (all acting in good faith) were doing their job.
And well, Dr. Fauci.
I learned from all this coverage and ABC TV Dr. Ashton’s approach and says this is what Dr’s use as deciding factors.

Ask these questions -
What are the risks? (fully unknown)
What are the risks of not doing something? (?)
What are the benefits of taking vaccine? (Covid, long haul Covid symptoms, death)
What are the benefits of not taking the vaccines?

Sigh

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Hey, @matt, you may want to update the front page.

It seems that the report of a new strain in the U.S. is false, and in fact officials tried to stop the report from spreading but Dr. Birx pushed it.

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Two more life-saving Covid drugs discovered

Two more life-saving drugs have been found that can cut deaths by a quarter in patients who are sickest with Covid.

The anti-inflammatory medications, given via a drip, save an extra life for every 12 treated, say researchers who have carried out a trial in NHS intensive care units.

Supplies are already available across the UK so they can be used immediately to save hundreds of lives, say experts.

There are over 30,000 Covid patients in UK hospitals - 39% more than in April.

The UK government is working closely with the manufacturer, to ensure the drugs - tocilizumab and sarilumab - continue to be available to UK patients.

As well as saving more lives, the treatments speed up patients’ recovery and reduce the length of time that critically-ill patients need to spend in intensive care by about a week.

Both appear to work equally well and add to the benefit already found with a cheap steroid drug called dexamethasone.

Although the drugs are not cheap, costing around £750 to £1,000 per patient, on top of the £5 course of dexamethasone, the advantage of using them is clear - and less than the cost per day of an intensive care bed of around £2,000, say experts.

Lead researcher Prof Anthony Gordon, from Imperial College London, said: “For every 12 patients you treat with these drugs you would expect to save a life. It’s a big effect.”

In the REMAP-CAP trial carried out in six different countries, including the UK, with around 800 intensive care patients:

  • Nearly 36% of intensive care Covid patients receiving standard care died
  • The new drugs reduced that by a quarter, to 27%, when given to patients within 24 hours of them entering intensive care

Prof Stephen Powis, NHS national medical director, said: “The fact there is now another drug that can help to reduce mortality for patients with Covid-19 is hugely welcome news and another positive development in the continued fight against the virus.”

Health and Social Care Secretary Matt Hancock said: "The UK has proven time and time again it is at the very forefront of identifying and providing the most promising, innovative treatments for its patients.

“Today’s results are yet another landmark development in finding a way out of this pandemic and, when added to the armoury of vaccines and treatments already being rolled out, will play a significant role in defeating this virus.”

The drugs dampen down inflammation, which can go into overdrive in Covid patients and cause damage to the lungs and other organs.

Doctors are being advised to give them to any Covid patient who, despite receiving dexamethasone, is deteriorating and needs intensive care.

Tocilizumab and sarilumab have already been added to the government’s export restriction list, which bans companies from buying medicines meant for UK patients and selling them on for a higher price in another country.

The research findings have not yet been peer reviewed or published in a medical journal.

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A thread on why you should get the first shot even if uncertain if you can get the second one:


Other recent developments.





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Maskless Republicans during the Capitol Hill Insurrection

And the fallout 1 more case on Congress

A third lawmaker has tested positive for Covid-19 in the days since a mob roamed through the halls of Congress and forced lawmakers to jam into cloistered secure rooms where a number of Republicans were not wearing masks.

The announcement came as a grim reality has begun to dawn on Capitol Hill: The riot on Wednesday may have started a coronavirus superspreader event.

On Tuesday, Representative Brad Schneider, Democrat of Illinois, said that he had received a positive virus test, following similar statements from two other Democrats, Representatives Bonnie Watson Coleman of New Jersey and Pramila Jayapal of Washington.

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Nearly 4500 dead.

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Vaccine reserve was already exhausted when Trump administration vowed to release it, dashing hopes of expanded access

States were anticipating a windfall after federal officials said they would stop holding back second doses. But the approach had already changed, and no stockpile exists.

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Yes, it is in about 5 states now. CA for sure…

Vaccine push big time…but where is the supply?

But CA now has this variant as well as one from Denmark.

The state is one of many dealing with the arrival of a more contagious viral variant, first discovered in Britain; the first confirmed case in Los Angeles was reported on Saturday. It is believed to be 50 percent more transmissible than the previous version of the virus.

Officials said they thought the variant, which has caused infections to soar in London and southeast England, has been spreading through Los Angeles for some time. While more contagious, the variant does not appear to cause more severe illness.

Barbara Ferrer, the director of the county’s public health department, called the arrival of the variant “troubling, as our health care system is already severely strained with more than 7,500 people currently hospitalized.”

On Sunday night, the California Department of Public Health reported another variant that had grown more common across the state since December. Known as L452R, it was first detected in Denmark in March and appeared in California in May. In December, researchers at the University of California, San Francisco sequenced genomes of coronavirus gathered around the state and found that the variant was present in just 3.8 percent of their samples. By January, it had jumped to 25.2 percent.

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The new administration was left with no plans for vaccine distribution…no plans whatsoever.
Such an abdication of any responsibility from those WTFers.

Newly sworn in President Joe Biden and his advisers are inheriting no coronavirus vaccine distribution plan to speak of from the Trump administration, sources tell CNN, posing a significant challenge for the new White House.

The Biden administration has promised to try to turn the Covid-19 pandemic around and drastically speed up the pace of vaccinating Americans against the virus. But in the immediate hours following Biden being sworn into office on Wednesday, sources with direct knowledge of the new administration’s Covid-related work told CNN one of the biggest shocks that the Biden team had to digest during the transition period was what they saw as a complete lack of a vaccine distribution strategy under former President Donald Trump, even weeks after multiple vaccines were approved for use in the United States.

There is nothing for us to rework. We are going to have to build everything from scratch,” one source said.

Another source described the moment that it became clear the Biden administration would have to essentially start from “square one” because there simply was no plan as: "Wow, just further affirmation of complete incompetence."

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Day 2 of Biden/Harris presidency - tackle COVID head on.

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