All Things Trump/Russia! (Resources)

(Renee) #25

(per the NPR interview) Geez, did anyone find that very reassuring? - me either. I worked for a Biotech firm for 12 years but prior to that I worked for an “automated controls engineering firm” they made sensors and controls for automated systems. The main customers were any place needing to automate functions; could be the postal service, UPS, car makers and utilities. The big push at the time was ‘smart controls’ and open systems, PLC with communication of smart nodes on the factory floor, etc. Since this was around 96-2001 and the internet was the new shiny thing, most of the engineers were thinking how great it would be to control operations from a portable device without being on site just before mobile phones became common. I am sure any ideas of security needs was more than just passwords - hopefully. But if so many ransomware frauds have been due to old operating systems and poor passwords like using old Windows systems what is to say this isn’t also happening at utility systems… and voting systems?

Of course, my other big paranoid thoughts are that there are at least a few GOP House members in office that also have Russian PAC money that they want to remain hidden and are protecting their own asses with their complicit silence or their completely horrid accusations of the FBI and the DOJ.


Bingo, you found the problem. Could you please explain PLC’s for the folks who don’t know what they are and how they are used?

(Renee) #27

PLC or Programmable Logic Controller is kind of like a computer as a desktop user might know it but it is what is used industrially to get factory automation to ‘happen’. Allen Bradley is probably the largest manufacturer although there are many others and these units were used and designed prior to any thoughts of an internet threat. Most factor automation from the 1990 and before are 'open source in this case just getting to it - even via an online PC is enough to interfere with it. This is how we 'suxneted" Iran, fyi.

Smart nodes are part of a wiring network you might find industrially that are the hamburger helper to the PLC adding ‘switching’ mechanisms that of a higher order than a simple relay yet are not a full PLC or computer. Most of these work with programs like Profibus and other automated factory programs.

Does this help or is it more confusing?


@Maxfacter I think it’s still confusing. I’m wondering how we could break this down even more? Also, I wanted to add the alert Homeland Security posted on this issue. It contains a lot of code and a few screen shots of the affected systems. :thinking:


No collusion, my ass!

The number of contacts between the Trump team and Russia-linked operatives to 76, and 23 of these contacts were meetings (including Skype calls.) None of these contacts were ever reported to the proper authorities. Instead, the Trump team tried to cover up every single one of them.


Explaining PLC’s isn’t easy, bravo for tackling this. It might help to add what type of control systems were primarily used prior to PLC’s. I worked around manufacturing for years but not in a technical role and saw engineers implement changes evolving to PLC’s when process systems were changed.

(Renee) #31

Hey Mr. Sept. (pls provide centerfold - hahah) - actually, PLCs are very old tech but kind of a work-horse in the plug and play factory/industrial model. I would say in the 1990s they weren’t new but common. I do not know when they were introduced but I would think this was a tech in growth/adapting in the same time as 286-386 PCs - 1987-89? I am not an engineer - would have to google or ask others I know from work long ago. In the later 90s there was a lot of programing in ‘nodes’ little smart boxes in wiring to other controls - whether in processing or factory mode. The thing is “up stream” back in the control room in power plant it was pretty easy to access and direct. There are a lot of common programs out there back in that time period for factory control - Profibus, etc. I think hand held controllers (think VERY early cell phone like app) was the next “thing”. There was a lot of open source and wouldn’t it be great you didn’t have to walk a mile to get “sparky” to do what you could do away from the site. SO with that in mind and that the next and the next layer was added… it really isn’t that hard to think that Russian hackers had not figure out how to fuck with us… especially on the electrical grid. And more so on the net. I sound all paranoid like - ah because I am.


It’s my understanding PLC’s evolved to today’s higher level of control systems used in manufacturing today. True?


An awesome interactive info-graphic that has just been updated. I like the “filter option” at the bottom of the page. For example, you can display just the Mueller Team, or just the people who have been indicted, or just those related to the Steele Dossier, etc. It’s a fun page to explore as well as being a great resource.

(nina) #34

These guys do try to keep their facts straight…good resource to review the constant flow of information coming in.

(Renee) #35

I like that one and the one on Bill Moyers from a Prof from Northwestern who had no idea there would be this much to see, review… like here smile.

(nina) #36

Selective recap on what areas Mueller is looking at…another connect-the-dots document with links.

They link to a lot of articles…


The premise was a bit hard to follow but the new piece for me was the illegality of using foreign resources in a U.S. election.

(nina) #38

This article by Murray Waas has been discussed by pundits (MSNBC) as being another (hidden) indicator that Mueller must have very damning information provided by Don McGahn who presents a timeline of what T knew and when did he know it, regarding Flynn’s compromised position. It is another bit of evidence that T purposely obstructed justice in the face of known facts and subsequently fired Comey because he did not like anything having to do with an investigation.

Flynn, Comey, and Mueller: What Trump Knew and When He Knew It
Murray Waas

Previously undisclosed evidence in the possession of Special Counsel Robert Mueller—including highly confidential White House records and testimony by some of President Trump’s own top aides—provides some of the strongest evidence to date implicating the president of the United States in an obstruction of justice. Several people who have reviewed a portion of this evidence say that, based on what they know, they believe it is now all but inevitable that the special counsel will complete a confidential report presenting evidence that President Trump violated the law. Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, who oversees the special counsel’s work, would then decide on turning over that report to Congress for the House of Representatives to consider whether to instigate impeachment proceedings.

The central incident in the case that the president obstructed justice was provided by former FBI Director James B. Comey, who testified that Trump pressed Comey, in a private Oval Office meeting on February 14, 2017, to shut down an FBI criminal investigation of Trump’s former national security adviser, Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn. “I hope you can see your way clear to letting this go, to letting Flynn go,” Comey has testified the president told him.
If, therefore, Trump understood the legal jeopardy that Flynn faced, that would demonstrate such intent—and make for a much stronger case for obstruction against the president. Conversely, if Trump believed that Flynn was no longer under criminal investigation, or had been cleared, the president could not have had corrupt intent. But previously undisclosed evidence indicates just the opposite—that President Trump was fully informed that Flynn was the target of prosecutors.

I have learned that a confidential White House memorandum, which is in the special counsel’s possession, explicitly states that when Trump pressured Comey he had just been told by two of his top aides—his then chief of staff Reince Priebus and his White House counsel Don McGahn—that Flynn was under criminal investigation. This memo, the existence of which I first disclosed in December in Foreign Policy, was, as one source described it to me, “a timeline of events [in the White House] leading up to Flynn’s resignation.” It was dated February 15, 2017, and was prepared by McGahn two days after Flynn’s forced resignation and one day after Trump’s meeting with Comey. As I reported, research for the memo was “primarily conducted by John Eisenberg, the deputy counsel to the president and legal adviser to the National Security Council,” who, in turn, was “assisted by James Burnham, another White House counsel staff member.”


Thanks for this – a mountain of evidence that Trump conspired to protect Flynn from prosecution.

And let’s not forget that Pence is also complicit with Flynn – in this case, regarding Flynn’s receipt of over half a million dollars in secret payments from Turkey. It’s stunning to consider that Pence actually knew about these payments, yet still vetted Flynn for the highest security post in our country, National Security Advisor. How do we know that Pence knew? Because Flynn himself disclosed the investigation against him to the Transition Team of which Pence was the head. Yet Pence still handed Flynn the keys to our nation’s most critical secrets.

This article is a resource on what Pence knew about Flynn. It’s over a year old, but is as true today as it was then:

(Renee) #40

The dream of every GOP government member - to collect 2 “paychecks” while in or out of office! Meanwhile, back in Florida, the cool-aid was passed around with enthusiasm.

(nina) #41

This was written in 2017 and covers a lot of ground in terms of what the Russian meddling looked like.

It presents seven scenarios about who the players were and why. Interesting accumulation of details.

Seven Theories of the Case: What Do We Really Know About L’Affaire Russe and What Could it All Mean? - Lawfare

(nina) #42

Some of the basic premises of what Russia’s (Putin) viewpoint towards T…
Is he a useful tool, or something else? We all feel Russia has the upper hand with playing T.

Some excerpts

Putin runs the country based on trying to keep the rich people rich and compromised so that if they step out of line, he can crush them,” says John Sipher, a former CIA station chief in Moscow. The trick of this system is that the rich needn’t even be told that they’ve been compromised and that embarrassing details of their lives are kept in dossiers in the Lubyanka. The oligarchs simply assume that to be the case and act accordingly. The members of the Russian business elite are manipulated but uncontrolled assets whose outsize personalities and public profiles are best managed with a hands-off approach from the state.

It is in this light that questions uppermost since the peculiar spectacle of the Helsinki summit—“What do the Russians have on Donald Trump?” or “Is Donald Trump an agent of Moscow?”—are better examined. An American oligarch is the best way to define how the Russian establishment and security organs view Trump, according to Steven Hall:

Since Helsinki, this has been firmed up in my mind. I’d be very surprised if Trump was a standard intelligence recruit, the type of guy who’d meet his handler under a bridge in Vienna and who’d be paid for influence. There’s almost a commercial aspect to how the Russians deal with him rather than an asset-running one. It’s a trusted relationship with someone they can nudge without having to instruct or order.

Burton Gerber, a thirty-nine-year veteran of the CIA and mentor to both Hall and Sipher, agrees with this assessment. The notion of Trump in certain precincts of the media as a Manchurian candidate, a Russian asset owned and run by the Kremlin, is ridiculous, he argues:

Trump is basically a man with low self-esteem, which he has worked against by being a bully and a narcissist. His actions scream, “Take me, I’m yours if you’ll admire and compliment me.” The Russians would never want to recruit him, just continuously have access to him and be able to influence him.

Gerber compares Trump to Harry Hopkins, an architect of the New Deal whom the Soviets cajoled because of his closeness to Roosevelt, rather than to Alger Hiss, whom the KGB actively recruited as a spy within the US government. “If you’ve got someone like Trump, an agent of influence,” he asks, “why would you then try to make him more than what he is? It would be irresponsible from an intelligence point of view.”

After Helinski, a former Russian official told me that the Kremlin was actually worried now. They were expecting a statesmanlike and uneventful summit with platitudes but little by way of substantive agreements. However, so deferential was Trump toward Putin, the diplomat said, that the Russians were worried the White House or Congress would have no choice but to retaliate by passing more sanctions. (In the event, the president seemed to opt for threatening all-caps war with Iran on Twitter, perhaps to distract from his self-abasing performance in Finland and his own party’s embarrassment from it, which forced him to postpone a proposed follow-up meeting with Putin at the White House.)

Trump was reportedly livid that his Putin-hugging in Helsinki had not played better at home. Unlike Harry Hopkins, Trump cares nothing for social safety nets and is not motivated by ideology, only ego and a self-image as the great deal-maker, the ultimate winner. “The world is made up of people with either killer instincts or without killer instincts,” he told TV presenter Rona Barrett in 1980. “And people that seem to emerge are the people that are competitive and driven and with a certain instinct to win.”

(nina) #43


I’m just going to leave this here, happy reading. :smirk:

  1. 18 U.S.C. § 371—Conspiracy to Defraud the United States